2H VS 1H for PvP

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Is a 2H DK a viable option in PvP?

  1. Not at all

    35.6%
  2. Yes, all the time

    20.0%
  3. 1v1, Yes

    35.6%
  4. 1v1, No

    11.1%
  5. 3v3, Yes

    37.8%
  6. 3v3, No

    11.1%
  7. 5v5, Yes

    20.0%
  8. 5v5, No

    17.8%
  9. 6v6, Yes

    22.2%
  10. 6v6, No

    15.6%
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  1. daywaker2

    daywaker2 Forum Demigod

    nice dmg Goodmood:) but only good for Boss runs . In Arena u have no Chance with 2Hand Weapons:)
     
  2. GamesShortCut

    GamesShortCut Exceptional Talent

    Ty Day.
    btw :D Not only for Boss runs, In Areana I do crits up to 18 000 dmg with iron head and up to 12 000 without (with buff in 5vs5). But this topic we should not discuss in this post :) Everyone should choose by themself what they like or dislike to use.
     
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  3. Hartvig

    Hartvig Forum Inhabitant

    As you say, its a bit offtopic, but i have to say my opnnion about this;)
    Goodmood, you would propably never stand a chance against a strong DK with gems like your own, just becouse he will cut down all your hp with nearly no hits at all. And thats only beacouse you use WITCH-HUNTER! Use that damn helmet of death along with dark pouldrons and dark armor or witchhunter-breastplate! The new set from newmoon is the some of the baddest sets for DK so far! Just look at your armor and hp when you swich set! The only possible problem is crit, but you haven´t even tried deathhelmet+dark pouldrons+wichchaser yet! Won´t give as much crit, but the armor and hp is better for pvp! ;)

    Back to topic:
    The 2H weapon i like the most is something with 2*weapondmg+1*dmg+1critdmg.
    At the first page you can see my mace with exactly those enchants, the second weapondmg should just have been a bit higher. I would just hope for a sword with that combo of enchants;)
    But the mace is unbeatable for mortis, less speed more dmg = less use of essense! :)
     
  4. NightWalker

    NightWalker Board Analyst

    Anyone talk sense to this "genius"? Lets calculate, the dmg. Ignore base stats for sword, instead of that "+7" speed, you get 50% weapon dmg * 2 radiant rubies and 3 polished rubies. You get +30 dmg bonus "just from gems" not including additonal +dmg stats AND base stats of sword. Oh did you notice, I only used 5 gems to calculate that, the rest can be speed bonus. Why smash another time when you end it in one hit?

    Furthermore,
    #1 You are not a f2p if you have 5 polished sapphires and 2 radiant sapphires.
    #2 No one uses sapphires on weapons for 2h because that lowers your dmg for your other dmg stats, so using 7 sapphires to "calculate" is invalid.
    #3 If you want speed, go 1h since you get a shield as well. Main point of 2h is to abuse that dmg, crit value/dmg along with the talent of +40% dmg.
    Example: Take GamesShortcut's 2h weapon and replace the HIGH side dmg stat with a speed stat and you'll see your dmg dropping by more than 200 (talent included). This is because if 7% speed is high side for speed you should take off a high side dmg as well.
     
    Last edited: May 3, 2014
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  5. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Nonsense! Because you and majority of players have chosen one handed weapon it does not mean that 2H weapons are not good in arena.

    I agree with you on the first part ... about the damage speed comparison.
    But you are wrong when saying no f2p can have polished gems. I know @Master0fpuppets is playing this game for almost an year or little less, for that time you can easily get full polished or even half radiant.
    I am f2p I have full radiant gems, 3 sacred few flawless and in process of crafting more flawless gems.
     
  6. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I've already made the argument elsewhere that a 2H weapon is not just a choice for PvE, but actually an excellent on for PvE. However, the jury is out it seems on their usefulness in PvP. So, instead of clogging up the "Show what you have" Thread, lets move it over here. Just try to keep it opinion and fact based and avoid the personal attacks... OK?

    I'll start. A 2H is useless for flag running (except possibly as an uber speed build using Damnation, but I have yet to see someone try that) but a 2H has merit as a tanky damage dealer. I would argue that a 2H could do well in 5v5 as support, 3v3 in general, and in 1v1 in particular. I don't have enough experience to argue the benefits in 6v6.

    1v1:
    Here, you only have to worry about a single opponent. You can out maneuver them. Furthermore, if you get a headbutt/smash, it is almost all over for your opponent. If you get your HP down but get a couple of hits in while using DH, then your are back up because of all the HP you would get back per hit. This is where I think a 2H DK would do well in PvP. The only problems would be against another DK who has high armor and speed.

    3v3:
    In a well balanced team, the 2H DK would serve as a gank. He could jump in or do a quick stun and finish a charater in that split second. In TDM, those split seconds count. Also, that recovered HP from making the kill would help a DK more than an average damage dealer because the DK's base HP is so much higher than SWs or RAs.

    5v5:
    We've already established that a 2H DK would make a crappy flag runner, but when the other team's flag runner is trying to get away and a 2H DK catches up, it makes a significant difference.
     
  7. GamesShortCut

    GamesShortCut Exceptional Talent

    I personally, think a 2H Dk is great for burst damage. It is like a first person shooter where people been asked which weapon do they like? A machine gun or a sharp shooter gun?
    Most people are taking the fast shooting guns... but the sharpshooter can do serious of damge, if you know how.

    In my opionion, the 2H Dk can go well in every PvP Mode.
     
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  8. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    wish there is a ignore list to put you two there
     
  9. tagedieb

    tagedieb Advanced

    As a ranger, I have had more trouble against 2h than against 1h DKs. They dish out ridiculous burst damage, oneshotting me sometimes even with a rageful swing. A mistake on my part equals instantaneous death. Sometimes even flawless play does not prevent me from biting the dust when the absurd range of Bloody wild swing comes into play; whereas against a 1h DK, I am given a second chance after their initial assault.
    Obviously, they also die much quicker than their onehanded counterparts, however, they still gain more armor/hp from their equipment than other classes which makes them not quite fit into the "glass cannon" category occupied by mages with books/rangers with quivers.
    Overall, I would say the DK's offensive gain from using a twohander severely outweighs the defensive loss from not being able to block. Especially in 6v6 where one Dragon's fury means one tower destroyed, I see my impression being validated.
    In conclusion, I dread 2h DK's more than their onehanded brethren and deem them a deadlier foe, no matter in which PvP mode.
     
  10. I have merged some of the posts that were clogging up the 2H showcase here. Because of the time stamps on the original posts, they appear before Baragain's opening post. Just trying to avoid confusion for people joining this conversation late.
     
  11. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Why? Because every single player at Grimmag server is putting you on ignore list, so you want to know what it looks like? :D

    On topic. People are forgetting one thing. Out of four classes there is one class that is using only two handed weapons. It would be the ranger class. All rangers are using two handed weapons. DK, SW and SM can use one handed or two handed weapons ... but rangers are using only two handed weapons.
    Are they successful in PVP? Generally, yes they are.
     
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  12. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    That is not true, only cry baby's. unbelivable, at least tell the truth. (I reported mortis bug last year)
    Now you must be wondering why did I do it - Well how would someone who playes this game feel if I guy that is playing a month and half got mortis mask and You who playes 2 years did not get it? Does that sound fer to all the people that play long?

    I know a lot of ppl who are now field marshals, flag beare, ect ... on grimmag and they know I reported a bug, but they are still my best friends. You know way? Couse I respect them and they respect me back - and I don't keep secrets from my friends. Why don't you try being nice for a change to people and they just might respect you back. :)

    on - 2H weapons are a bad idea in arena, in general your realy slow with it.
     
  13. ningruoxi

    ningruoxi Forum Apprentice

    2H warrior is deadly in small area combat IMO
     
  14. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    How do you know when you haven't been playing arena even with one handed weapons?
    You should play it first before claiming otherwise.
     
  15. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    I gess 10k honor today, and the past days, just apper on my acc from no where :))))
     
  16. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    10K honor today and for a past days huh? :D:D:D
    People are earning 10K honor points in 30 minutes.
    This screen is from my latest character, just couple of weeks old. I have managed to level 25 (pvp) just in 2 days. That was all I need so I can not be stunned by monsters every time. Now I can farm easily.

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    To make your point valid you should test with many characters and classes, with 2H and 1H weapons. Now I have been doing that since ever with all classes. My conclusion was that both 2H and 1H weapons have advantages and disadvantages. But ... if you master 2H weapon at cap level it is more deadly than 1H weapons. for an example your DK can heal itself in just two hits.
     
  17. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    80k 1 week, I farm a lot. Don't be so evil, man. Save your energy it's just a game. :)
     
  18. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    This thread is not about farming honor points, it is about 2H vs. 1H weapons in pvp.
    So post your arguments and facts.
    I can post my arena stats with my ranger using Longbow, for start, then I can post more stats of my other characters.
     
  19. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    You provoked me.
     
  20. NightWalker

    NightWalker Board Analyst

    You wanna put me on the ignore list because I'm right and you hate to admit it. Please don't randomly give comments when you don't use 2h weapon in PVP.

    Thought he said he started this game just near the end of last year, checked the post from threads before to see that I'm wrong. Yes, he is nearly 1 year old (If you get what I mean) so I guess if he has enough time he surely can have 2 radiants+ 5 polished sapphires. I know people who are f2p and have polished+ gems as well. Got the time frame wrong :\
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2014
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