"Extra Knowledge", part 2...

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  1. Bearer-of-Death

    Bearer-of-Death Exceptional Talent

    Hi everybody,

    So, I just finished and hopefully i will add more to it.
    This idea is for the KT that i made last time, but in case DSO doesn't like it, it can be used as lvl 35, so here goes all or nothing:)...

    I choose these images, because my resources are very limited, the "Fan-kit" provided by BP is very old and hasn't much items in it.
    (also working with "paint", is so hard, but its the only one i have)

    Now...the symbol on the right-side comes first and i call it the "Book of Shadows".
    The "Book of Shadows" is as old as time itself and contains very powerful spells.
    One of these spells allows you to switch enchantments between identical items.
    If you learn this ability you will by able to do this...
    ...you can switch/transfer whatever enchantment you like, but it comes with a cost...you will need energy spheres called "Andermants" to finalize the ritual.
    The items have always to be the same category and lvl, it won't work if you use a lvl 45 ring with a lvl 6 and neither can you use a green/blue/pink with an orange one or vice-versa, it has to be the same lvl and color.

    You can use it on all colored items, but not on unique items.

    Now...the symbol on the left-side, well still haven't found a name for it, so just for fun lets call it "Versace vs Chanel":D:p...

    Are you tired of looking just like everybody else???
    Would you like to change the way you look(tonight:D)???
    When you unlock this new ability, go talk to the NPC "Zahir" in Kingshill and he will help you to change your wardrobe, like this...
    ...at the top, you will find 5 tabs - clothes - 2H - weapons - shields - unique's...
    Each one of the tabs contains all the gear from lvl 1 to lvl 45.
    The unique's however are the ones that you can buy from any NPC and not the unique's that are dropped from mobs or events.

    You only have to click on the items below the character and you will get a preview of what your character will look like...after that click on the tab at the top with the 2 arrows and will go to the purchase window...

    ...it can either transform your item or perhaps create a costume for you to use, like the ones from Full/New Moon.

    The white items will be paid with coins - gold, silver, copper.
    The unique items will be paid with andermants.
    As for the prices, sorry didn't thought of that, also the list would be enormous.

    Well, I hope that i didn't forget to add anything.
    If something doesn't make sense to you, just let me know and i will try to explain it later.

    Now its time for bed + the next idea!!!:D:D:D:D

    P.S. - Forgot to mention this "I have used some ideas from other members to create the abilities for this new KT, so thanks for sharing your thoughts and wisdom, I couldn't have done it without you guys!!!"
    Last edited: May 26, 2014
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  2. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    Just a.. minor thingy, Knowledge levels don't have choices. There is one option for each 5 levels and it is automatically selected when you acquire the appropriate level. Your picture shows 2 of them, would you have to choose between or would they both be selected?
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  3. Multi-Sev

    Multi-Sev Forum Overlooker

    Sounds good. I wrote very similar ideas in these threads.



    The only thing I would not want to allow would be single-enchantment transfers. I think it should be all-or-nothing transfers (all enchantments from one item switch with all enchantments from the second item). This way, you're just putting the enchantments of one item onto something that looks different. Obviously, there would be no need to do this with left-side equipment, since no one can see it.

    If single-enchantment transfers were allowed, anyone could easily customize a full set of super-equipment. What I mean by that is a player could find four rings, each with one good enchantment, and transfer three enchantments onto one ring. This would make a super-ring. Pretty soon, everyone would have super-equipment in every space on their inventory sheet. It would be too easy to get what you wanted this way. The challenge of getting very lucky ID'ing an item would be gone (along with BP's profit from sales of CoTs).
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  4. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    That first talent though would be incredibly OP when used with low level legendaries or even normal items with decent stats. (Think Weapons and Shields). People would be able to build low level legendaries with what ever stats they wanted and then level them up or get that perfect weapon/shield... It would take the randomness out of items and really unbalance the game... Waaaaaay too much power, especially if you charge andermant. The powerful P2P players would get more powerful and the poor among us would just get almost jack except a dream of what it would be like if we were willing to spend money on an already unballanced game. If it were priced in glyphs, I think it would be a bit more fair, but the skill itself is still op.
  5. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    I dont get the point of this idea, seems stupid and useless to me. There is not benifits from it at all.
  6. Zokin

    Zokin Forum Expert

    First idea is a way to op.., but hey the second one is nice, i like it :)
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  7. _Dragonscale_

    _Dragonscale_ Advanced

    I don't like the first idea, 'cause it's too op. The second idea sounds like Diablo 3 Transmogrification system, and of course any change to the current appearance system is great :).
  8. -Faeriequeen22-

    -Faeriequeen22- Forum Mogul

    I like both of them, even though I have to agree that first idea is op, especially for p2p people. They would have too much benefit from it. Although, I'd be more than happy to make myself a little decent crystal this way, since I'll obviously never get a normal one this way xD
    The second one is great, I'd look different every 5 mins ihihihi. And also, hide helmet option, it would really be about time.. :cool:
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  9. Bearer-of-Death

    Bearer-of-Death Exceptional Talent

    Hi TheInfamous,

    Yes you're correct, but this is the 2nd part of the 1st one(in case you missed it).

    Hi Multi-Sev,

    I read about those ideas, but i didn't had any thoughts to share at that moment.
    I also forgot to mention in this thread, that sometimes my ideas comes from others, with small changes or every similar, but different. But i did mention it in the 1st one.
    After this post, I will edit it and add it, ok!!!

    DSO will not lose money, because sales of CoT's would drop...almost no one buys CoT's anyway, its much cheaper to buy "premium", also Callisto has said this!!!

    Hi Baragain, Zokin, Dragonscale, Multi-Sev...

    I'm a F2P and i would never give a idea that would create a even bigger gap between weak vs OP players.
    Every OP player already has low lvl legendary items, how can they become even strong with this idea???
    All i see, is that this will close the gap between weak vs strong, PvP will become more fair, because the weak player, would be able to build a stronger character.

    Do you know how many low lvl items i have for all my characters(4)??? one!!!
    Do you know how long i have been searching for them??? since Jan 2013
    I have spend over 100k of CoT's on low lvl items and got only 1 good item, which you can see above, it has 2x 1 damage / 2x critical slightly over 300 + 2 slots.
    So, I'm sorry to disagree with your point of view.

    If i keep on writing this post will be enormous and ppl will lose interest in reading it...so thanks for your input and thoughts about this.
    Last edited: May 26, 2014
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  10. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    I will not argue the idea but the prices.
    If this idea becomes reality it would be almost certain that prices would be in andermants.
    And that would kill the F2P players. The gap between P2P and F2P is already wide ... this would definitely affect F2p and this game would become P2P only ... and eventually dead/closed.
  11. Bearer-of-Death

    Bearer-of-Death Exceptional Talent

    Hi trakilaki,

    I do get your point, but if there're no andermants involved, I seriously doubt that DSO would even consider this or any other idea that involves increasing the stats of a character for free.

    A good example of this are the glyph system...how many glyphs does a player need to upgrade just 1 item, for example a lvl 3 legendary wand...you will need around 165 million glyphs to upgrade it to lvl 50.

    I had one and it was amazing, it had 3x times speed = 24% / 1x increase weapon damage of 29.9% + 4 slots, I lvl it up to lvl 13...after that i gave up, the next lvl would cost me well over 150K of glyphs, so i melted it.

    Well my point is, before glyph come along you could upgrade any item with 100 euros or farm for 128K andermants, now you need millions of andermants or pay 20K euros just to lvl up a low lvl weapon/book, the rest of the gear is cheaper, but since DSO has reduced the price of glyph, now you only need 10K.

    I would certainly love if DSO would take any idea and change the payment from andermants to coins, but that will never happen.
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  12. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Believe me, i will farm 200m glyphs sooner than 100K andermants :D
    Paying 20K euros for upgrading single item should be punishable by international law. Since that person is not in good mental condition, to whom guardianship/ward should be given.:eek:
    Anyway, there must be a balance of real needs and real abilities.
    That item you mentioned is not worth the glyphs. Every average cap level weapon is better than that and it cost 1500-2000 COT.
    Like I said I won't argue the idea, which ... with some changes and polishing is descent, I would argue the prices.
    F2P players can not farm that kind of andermants even in next 200 years. And I highly doubt that any other currency would be needed but andermants.
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  13. Bearer-of-Death

    Bearer-of-Death Exceptional Talent

    Ok trakilaki,

    Maybe tomorrow, I will change the prices just to please:oops: you, ok!!!
    But you already know, that it doesn't matter what price i add..DSO will always do as they please and whats more profitable to them.

    About your "some changes and polishing", let me know or anybody else and i will try to squeeze it in somehow to please everybody...after all this is for us and to improve the game.

    Till then have a nice day, y'all!!!:)
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  14. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend


    Stop don't change the prices. :)
    I wasn't referring to your prices. I was talking about in game prices if this idea could be implemented.
    In other words, If devs find this idea plausible they better do it my way or don't do it at all. :D
    No seriously, I was talking about real prices if this could be implemented.
    As for polishing and changes ... it is up to BP again.
    Since we are not familiar with their algorithms and methods of working, we(you) can only give a raw idea ... and they have to do the polishing.
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  15. Bearer-of-Death

    Bearer-of-Death Exceptional Talent

    Thanks for enlightening me, trakilaki.

    So...it seems there is nothing more to add or to discuss.
    Then its time for me to start to work on my next project.

    Thanks to everybody that shared their creative criticism.
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  16. Multi-Sev

    Multi-Sev Forum Overlooker

    You would be surprised how many people in my guild buy CoTs. They farm map2 and create 8 to 10 legendary weapons/off-hand-items (whatever they need to improve the most), then buy enough CoTs to ID them all at once. Usually, they all turn out to be junk and they have to try again next week :D

    I simply don't think BP would ever allow single-enchantment transfers. It would break the game.

    RE: what Callisto said, she never said that CoTs are going to be replaced.
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  17. Bearer-of-Death

    Bearer-of-Death Exceptional Talent

    Hi Multi-Sev,

    Well, I did say "almost":).

    As for Callisto's statement, in my understanding...DSO must have said something to all forums Admin about a new type of IDing and to lookout for any new ideas at the "creative corner" or other threads...well thats my conclusion.

    Anyway, it doesn't really matter, because DSO rarely implements ideas given in the forums...how many ideas do you know, that were given here and made it into the game???...I only know 2, the ess stacks and key configuration.

    Many of our ideas never see the daylight anyway, so don't worry about this one, because its directed towards F2P class and you know how DSO feel's about F2P class.
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  18. Multi-Sev

    Multi-Sev Forum Overlooker

    Yes, you are right about the F2P. But I wouldn't expect them to make it easy to play for free. They may make some changes to appearance system someday, but it will probably cost something. It would be nice to be able to look different, even if it required some andermant :D
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  19. Warlord

    Warlord Forum Greenhorn

    For me this idea would work perfectly.
    Most of you think it will OP p2p, a f2p can achieve it too overtime, between 3 to 6 months tops, the glyphs are a other story.
    very cool idea Bearer-of-Death
  20. goe-spec

    goe-spec Forum Greenhorn

    thumbs up upon this idea, can't wait for your next one, Bearer
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