Feedback "Group Information" How it should operate

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  1. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Count Count

    Moderators: Can someone please change the title to: . . Thank you. :)
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    [Feedback] "Group Information" : How it should operate
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    I've tried to change it myself, but I'm not able to figure out how.
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    So everyone knows exactly what I'm referencing
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    On the right hand side of the screen, only when you are in a group, is this little icon that when you point to it says "Show/hide group information". When you click it, it changes from just the icon, to listing lots of stuff about those in your group. And vice-versa. So: no info/all info when you click.
    Then there is a short cut key that comletely toggles this On/Off. Either there is nothing on the screen at all, or 1 of 2 states that you last left it in with your mouse.
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    The 1st item (Problem):
    Why isn't there a hot key to "show/hide" the group information?

    The on/off control makes no sense. Being able to toggle "show/hide" would be much more usable than toggling "on/off". We toggle the "show/hide" on the chat. That icon doesn't ever completely disappear.
    The quest guidance is a-whole-nother topic.
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    The 2nd item (Problem):
    For those of use who find it in the way and turn it off, or click to hide, there is no longer any information on the rest of the group. After the first item is corrected, what we need is in the "hide" state is to have just the round numbers circles show below the "parchment" icon with them having thier health fill behind their level number.
    That way, when "hidden", we can still see who's doing ok, who needs help, and who's dead/use the stone without blocking so much of the screen.
    Those who are not online or not in the area should have circles just as they have now when not "hidden" - no fill and number greyed out.
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    The 3rd item (Problem):
    The order of the group is by who came in first to last. That is fine minus one item:
    The leader should always be at the top position. Those who are not in the area, or are offline, should be at the bottom (minus the leader who's always at the top).
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    The 4th item (change suggestion):
    When someone is not in your area or are not online, there is no health shown. That is fine.
    How about when they are not on the same map, showing what map they are on in this area at that time?
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    I feel that my responce to trakilaki below, that the picture I made for it needs to be here. So, this is what I'm after:
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2017
  2. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    There is a key ... "B"
    [​IMG]
    This is how it used to look
    [​IMG]
    This way we could see what everyone in the group is doing and if anyone needs help ... only the "spirit stone" function could be added (like now). However ... they changed the window and made it useless.
    Now that window is only disturbing the player's gameplay ... because every time you place your pointer there your character stops shooting/moving (even if it is minimized). That was not the case in the past.
    But now they made dozens of similar windows that are positioned all over/around the screen ... so the players have only the small central part of the screen available.
    Place your pointer over the premium icon (even if you don't have premium) it happens the same.
    Group window ...the same .
    PW timer ... the same.
    Skill bar ... the same.
    Those icons above the skill bar ... the same ...
    ... etc.
    If you open the group window/tab you can see that information.
     
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  3. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Count Count

    You didn't read the start of my post. I explained that the "B" key does the "On/Off" (not by key name but by function). It does not, and I repeat DOES NOT, do the proper function of hide/show.

    I agree. That is more useful. Was the leader always at the top? They should be.

    Ya know, as I think about it, when I started playing in 2015, that was what it looked like. Since I was new and didn't "party" much, I didn't pay much attention to it. It is only because of the Spirit Stones that I pay attention to it now. And, now it is in the way.

    What I'm saying is that part of what it is now needs to be changed. The picture below helps explain what I'm after:

    [​IMG]

    As you can see, in the top two pictures, when you press "B", you go from either just the icon alone or from the top left hand picture to the top right hand picture. It should be like the bottom. And the only thing clickable is the spirit stone icon when it shows.

    When "Hidden" (bottom right picture), the balls for each character should really be a duplication of thier health globe with the Level/Stone overlayed on top.

    In these pictures, I've left the Leader in the currently Alphabetically listed order. However, I strongly think that the Leader should always be the top slot.
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    I noticed something else. Why are some of the names left aligned, some are right aligned, and some are center aligned?
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    It's the difference of pressing "B" and knowing where your party is on a small part of the screen.
    -- VS --
    Pressing "F" (or mouse click) and loosing 1/3 to 1/2 of your screen to learn where your party is, and possibly of having to change tabs when the "whole" social screen comes up to learn where your party is (this screen defaults back to the first tab every time you change maps).

    Right now, I run around in a party with my screen like the Top Right picture. If someone dies outside of my "hearable" area, I never know. Because of the graphic covers area that I'm using, it is "off" instead of hidden. Speaking of which, the "hidden" as it is is completely of no use. I'm trying to make that state actually be useful.

    Anyway. I've ranted enough. Dev's: Can we please have the group window like the Lower Right picture?
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2017
  4. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    That is even worse than it is now.
    If I want to hide it I want to be completely gone.
    Now ... about your suggestion ... I only care for the group members in my map ... I don't care where the others are. And if they are not in my map they are out of my thoughts.
    There is a chat you can ask them ... also you can see that info in the group tab.
    The things are not that complex as they look ... my friends and I are always playing in group at different maps. There are many reasons for that. We all have different likings ... I personally hate Q3 so I rarely farm it. But the others may like it. The main reason is the social thing ... we always chat, communicate with each other , we gossip and spread rumors, we are joking (the main reason for our deaths in the maps, exercised abs and tears in our eyes) ... etc ... yet we are in the same group.
    It is not that difficult ... you only have to get used to it.
     
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    bLaind Forum Baron

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  6. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Count Count

    I get the distinct feeling that trakilaki would be most happy if the only thing on the screen was the world and the mouse pointer. No bars of any kind.
     
  7. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    I can't speak for Traki but I would definitely prefer something like this :)

    Luck be with ye,
    Mikey,
    Tegan
     
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  8. Dragonnns

    Dragonnns Forum Veteran

    I'd like to see the group bars as they were before the change to add the spirit stone. Then add the spirit stone without making the bars 1) solid and 2) not include mana information.

    Right now I turn that off almost immediately because it takes up too much space and only turn them on if I notice one of my group laying flat on the ground. If I knew their mana/steam/rage/concentration was low, I could have been there to help them.
     
  9. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Me too.
    True. You only need them until you get familiar with the game ... after that point you only play by your feel.
    Let me give you one example.
    I am a huge fan of Football games ... I have been playing PES for many years ... since the first game version in 2001.
    This game is different from FIFA in many things ... one of them being: not much crap and arrows and unnecessary graphics in the screen. In other words you have a plain screen like you would watch a football game on TV. All controls and commands are being executed according to the player's feel. When you shoot the ball you don't see an big arrow like in the other games ... you see nothing ... and you have to have the feeling of how much strong your press on the particular button is and make the combos. Therefore gamers love it.
    PES is for gamers FIFA is for posers :D
    You can play this game alone but you can play it with a lots of friends ... making it highly social. Yet ... the discrete graphics make the game perfect.

    That is what I want to see in any game.
    I don't need full screen of features when I don't need them ... others may use them ... but there should be options to enable/disable them in the settings ... so it would be enjoyable for everyone.
     
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