Hunting Trap Armour Break

Hi, i just wanted to know if armour break will ever be added for Rangers. All the other 3 classes have armour break and it makes it hard for a ranger class (not max level) to fight higher level monsters without armour break solo. Finding a team is not possible every time. Even in PVP, the other 3 classes keep using armour break to easily kill rangers. Hunting trap is a pretty useless skill to use in pvp and it would be useful if it would include armour break (when someone runs over it). The duration can be decreased and cool time could be increased. Not having armour break as a ranger is really frustrating. Thank you.

 

Lol what do you think of the double damage from precision shot when the opponents are marked with green arrow?????
If you care to pay a little attention, all the classes with armor break skill deal approximate the same amount of damage to enermies, which also equals to precision shot on marked enermy.

By the way, in pve, ranger is the easiest class to solo. I think it's your play style that is wrong here, not the class.

 

Take it from a Ranger /\

 

Nah, a dk with base dmg close to a ranger can hit much more with armour break for instance.... the red arrow shot hits 125% of base dmg.. with green mark it will hit 250% of my base dmg... a dk will hit 200% of his base dmg with the "smash" skill. If dk breaks armour they will be able to hit 85% more than usual... this doesn't mean 285% with the smash skill... but 370% (almost double of before) - (85% of 200%) + 200% -

Meaning that a dk that can hit 4k in pvp... can now suddenly hit nearly 8k...
Same principle goes with dwarf and mage... ranger class needs break armour

 

Just remember, there is a CD on DKs armourbreak! we cant just hit with that dmg all the time
But yes, strong DKs can hit extreme hard. Just take a look at the 1k basedmg pics in this thread: http://da.bigpoint.com/drasaonline/board/threads/show-what-you-have.7899/page-4#post-89958
And with khalys´ sword, a crit becomes insane after headbang

 

Correction about Thorheredur about ranger, Red arrow with mark the power is 125 x 2 ( with mark)+ 25%
so power of red arrow is 312.5% of base damage

and bird of pray 250 + 25% + 25%= 375% of base damage

and armorbreak its depend on your enemy, if monster boss or like mage, have thin armor and like boss more HP than armor, its cant make much damage, if your oponent DK, with much more Armor is realy use full can do almost double damage as you say, but for mage or boss or SM

DK = 5000 armor - 85% = 750 armor
Mage/SM = 1500 armor - 85% = 225 armor

 

Armor break doesn't work like actual 'armor break'. It's more like amplify damage. So regardless of your opponents armor, you will done damage +85% on armor breaked enemy.

To see the difference between 'armor break' and 'amplifying damage', use headbutt and black hole together and do the math.

Well, ranger have already 100% amplify damage while the others have 85%.

 

i think 100%amplify damage for marking is just a way to prevent ranger to be too powerful, because u can see the base damage for precision shot is 125% and consume 33 concentration, not big at all( look at this way, dk and mage's normal attack is 100%)
while smash hits 200%,like thorheredur said,dk hits skyhigh dmg in half a sec after headbang,usually that ends the opponent
hunting trap with armor break would be very powerful against dk and in pve,for me, a slow armor break skill is enough: armor will be broken when u stand on the thicket of thorn, the longer u stand on the more serious ur armor is broken(10% per sec),i think is less controvesial cuz this idea is almost pure pve, share ur thought

 

In pve yes. But if you experience top level pvp, all the calculation is just a theory.

Practically,
DK have almost impossible chance to land a direct heatbutt + smash and so the dk count on mighty wild swing (200% damage). Same like mage black hole to trap people to death, everyone can just jump away. So they use fireball hit and run instead. While ranger not really difficult to land 2 hits precisely which deal 250% damage. Helped with green arrow slow effect.

Note: I talk about top player pvp, not newbie.

 

Armor break would just make it possible to kill DK's in pvp making them kind of usles.

 

in top level pvp, ranger almost cant kill warrior that is what i ve learnt after participating in 3v3 for half a year,i ve seen so many marshal rangers were killed and still cant hit half of the hp of the opponent warrior

 

Many marshal DK's were killed by ranger too. Both have same chance to kill or be killed. But most people like to forget is who the DK/RA person is.

If it's not balanced there will be one class dominate the leaderboard. But the leaderboard says that all classes have chance.

 

maybe yes ,with other players' help like frozen wind or singularity , ranger can kill warrior,but who cant?
on the other hand,i haven't seen a marshal ranger can win a marshal warrior 1 on 1 in 3v3 unless using potion.Competing with ranger,warrior will not die unless they want to,i ve learnt.

 

Rangers do beat DKs pretty often, a lot more often than you say.

You may have heard about something called balance of power.

Mage generally beats DK, Ranger generally beats Mage, DK generally beats Ranger. I don't quite know where Dwarves sit atm. I fought one in 5v5 yesterday but in my horrible lag I could not make out what was going on. I just know he hit me 1k with something, dunno what... he also stole the flag with Iron Dwarf on.

But Rangers already hit high, armor break would allow them to 1shot everyone. (as if they don't already 1shot enough people)

I don't think that's right. If you press C while you are in Singularity, or affected by DK's Iron Brow or Dwarf's C14 Rocket, your armor has been reduced by 85%. So, it does work like actual armor break.

The "stacking" you're talking about only happens in PvE... when you hit wayyyy more than 2x.

But in PvP it's different, it works like actual armor break.
So if you use that on someone with 5k armor:

5000-85%= 750 armor under Singularity
750-85%= 112.5 armor under Sing. + Iron Brow
112.5-85%= 16.875 armor under Sing. + Iron Brow + C14 Rocket

As such... armor value will never reach 0 or go below, so the super-hits you get in PvE are not possible in PvP. With this we can assume that a monster's 'armor value' does not work the same way as a player's armor value.

 

Press 'C' will display the reduced armor, yes it is.

With your theory noone will reach 0% armor no matter how much armor break on him. Even with 0 armor my smash won't reach over 4k.

Now can you tell me how I smash a warrior and deal 8k damage inside singularity + headbutt? So it is works like damage amplifying instead of reducing armor. But still the display says armor was broken.

 

Armor break is actually more like an damage amplifier. When you apply double armor break, the dam is x4, not like -armor anymore cuz with 170% - armor, neither armor cant go to zero and 85% of 250 is pretty much the same damage reduction (which is nowhere near x4 dam). Well if you understand what i'm trying to say ^^

P/S: dwarf doesnt sit anywhere in your balance of power. It's like he kills all and all can kill him lol lol

 

I have attacked players with double armor break in PvP and I hit nowhere near what I hit on monsters in PvE. Which is why in PvE it may work like a damage amplifier but not in PvP. Or I can be completely wrong... I shall test it with some friends of mine and Edit this post with my findings; may take a while.

 

Or at least marking from hunting net or bird of pray, or lvl 42 skill that is very under-used beacause of big concentration requirement
All classes gave a skill for armor break even SM

 

ranger should have an armor break in pve only, its sad to see a class not that much desired because it has no armor break, i understand in pvp thats fine, but why not in pve? maybe add it an already exsting skill, like net, maybe not trap as it has low cooldown, but the devs should seriously think about it. mage and dk can have huge damage yet still are allowed it

 

Currently, Ranger is the least desired class in PvE because the lack of armor break.

But if you give ranger armor break, then there it will be too powerful.

Why? In PvP, Armor break + 1 precision shot will kill 95%+ of the players, with the exclusion of very VERY few heavy P2P DKs.

In PvE, it will also be overpowered.

You just created a class that is capable of doing comparable 2h DK damage from a distance (and through multiple enemies; mind you DK can only armor break 1 target at a time). There will be no reason to use any other classes, except to double stack armor breaks. But then, who will want to be your female dog for the sole purpose of double stack armor breaks while you farm.. say HoD knights? Finding a mage for that purpose of singularity is already hard enough. Many already converted to DK or have a DK on the side. What you suggest will just convert the remaining mages to armor break rangers. Adios Mages I guess.