combining gems loses

why is it combing gems u lose half of the stats of what u have?
u insert 3 gems,combine them and u get a gem of half of what u started with.
and the speed gems u get a 16th of that,15 speed u get 6.5,,im sorry what?
when i combine anything i want it all, not a small % of what i put into it.
if i have 3 +2 rubys i want a +6 when i combine them,,not a +3,,be real already.
and give me a button on my screen that just says "KILL ME" thx

 

I'm gonna let someone else handle this. Let me just say, "No".

(Honestly, what difference does it make? You get the same thing everyone else gets, so how is it unfair to anyone?)

 

Hmmmm. I think you need to look at it from a different angle. The reason you combine is to maximize slots. If you have free slots in an equip-able, you are better off deferring your combines. You take a 'hit' or penalty on the enchantment of that gem for the luxury of adding more gems to the now freed up two slots. In my opinion, this basic game mechanic doesn't need to be changed.

As an aside, I would like to see the next generation Capes allow for gems slots.

 

didnt say it was unfair,just think we should get a better outcome of what we put into it.
wouldnt u want a +6 gem for ur 3 +2 gems? its just math,and that felling of gaining something u worked so hard for.

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hit or penalty?,so i take a hit twice in spending money and reducing my gems,hmm
the cape...but thats the hit u take haha

fair enough?

 

OK, I guess I'm the one who sees the obvious problem. Here's why it's bad: It would make the gap between f2p and p2w MUCH worse than it is now.

Example: The f2p has found/bought three +2 rubies. She makes a +6 gem (instead of +3) in your new system. The p2p, however, can afford three +10 rubies. He makes a +30 ruby in this new system (instead of +15). The difference in damage is now +24 (plus the percentage from knowledge, which makes the gap even worse). The difference in the current system is only +12 (15 - 3 = 12). Ok, so now you multiply that new difference by 5 gem slots (assuming the f2p can afford 5 gem slots) and you start to have a problem. You've now got 120 raw damage difference from gems where it used to be only 60 difference. You do this and you're doubling (more than doubling, when you add in the knowledge %'s and PvP rank bonuses) the damage differences from gems between f2p and p2w at every step, over what they are now. Doesn't sound good for game balance to me... but maybe I'm just being paranoid

(The only way this would NOT unbalance f2p vs p2p even more is if they stopped selling gems and made them drop-only. Any bets on how likely that would be?)

 

lol its not an overthinking problem and now it is.
its a simple thing and now everyone wants to complicate a non complicated thing.
it has nothing to do with f2p and p2p.

its all just not logical, and im peeing against the Wind.
EXAMPLE-no gold drops!! but we HAVE to spend gold!!
see where im going?

 

One sacred sapphire would increase speed by 1093.5% and a sacred Ruby would be +2187 dmg. Thats one gem.

You don't see a problem with a laser beam coming out of your bow that cuts through walls and school busses? Oh wait it would deplete your concentration before you could let the button off. So switch to death blow and watch short bow flash at 1148.18 attacks a second. oops, I killed something time to repair.

Hey wait SW don't deplete their mana with Magic Missile so they would have an endless laser spinning in all directions, they are so OP

 

that makes no sence
let me edit this and say u r afraid of someone getting something better than u.
thats not this,its not about me or u,its about logic and how things should be.
u guys talk your talk and its all about YOU and how u would be just like ME and you dont like that,,,well talk all u want,its in the game,so very good chance we will all be like ALL OF YOU.
forums here to help us-"US",and not for personal gain.

 

No don't ruin this, the post is too much fun to make it a personal thing. What you suggested is that none of the gems lose there value they just continue to compound. In your system of combining gems, none of the values are lost. Not sure what doesn't make sense. It takes 2187 flawed rubies to make a Sacred one.

 

why wouldnt u want a full value of it?
or should i say,,why would anyone be against it?
its for us,this is why we play,
the end result is all same,but at least we can make something out of nothing.why make nothing less than what we have?
and who has 2187 flawed rubies,ur lucky u get 1 a day.365 days a year.

 

And that was Multi's point, hard to find, not hard to buy.

 

And don't forget about royal rubies and sapphires. Imaging putting full royal rubies on a 100%-150% weapon... you'd kill Mortis in 5 seconds flat.

 

U all realy like games

 

ur points are? besides being way off topic by the way?
you all do this to every single post. me me me,stop crying about you.
yes its all about you all,jump on ur band wagon and ride it out,,i dont care,but u r no help,u all (Contradict) yourselves all the time.
its NOT ur game we play,its everybodies.
this is not about what u have,more of what we can have and how they cut things in half.do u need me to hold ur hand and walk u through it?
ur math and numbers dont meen nothing.
if u want to post numbers then post what real money will really buy you in this game.then lets see you buy it.
i was going to pay but nothing here is worth buying.
sorry if u like wasting ur money,but i dont.
i been f2p and been doing great in pve and pvp,im lvl 45,i been killin marshals n such in pvp.
they all chase me around case i can kill them.
i dont mind,its fun,i am still thinking about buying something but they have not caught my interest yet.
this game can be better,but if its all about me me me,then it wont.
and the topic is,(open your eyes). and stop thinking about yourself.. have a nice day
ps..usa servers are low level compared to german servers,,just ask anyone..

 

Sorry, but the failure in logic is on your part not ours. You don't seem to get it. It would be a disaster and the game would be over. Bye bye DSO. You're the only one that thinks it wouldn't do that. You're right and the rest of the world is wrong, lol. OK. That is good for inventors and mavericks in the world. Not so good when it's just you. Hehe.

 

Four, I know from your other posts you are passionate and want to improve the game. SO......lets try this another way.

Lets say your are a F2P player that has been chugging through the game and picking up gems as you go, spending some of your hard won ander to buy more gems and you make it to 45 in about 8 weeks. You have decent to good gear and are a Centurian.

Now, I want you to PVP against a level 20 Recruit.

He's been playing the game for 3 days, but spent $375 on Ander during a 25% bonus sale. He payed with his grandmas credit card so got an additional 10% bonus. That would give him about 490,000 ander. He wasn't even smart enough to wait for a gem sale!! And he went and purchased 1 sacred ruby (210K ander) good for 2087 damage, 1 sacred Cyanite (70k ander), good for 6261 armor, and 3 sacred Amethysts (210k ander) good for 18.7k HP.

1v1 go!!!

I know you are a ranger and every attack you make on him is reduced by 80% and you have to work your way through his 18.7 k health which because of it's stupid high number will regenerate at about 200 a tick.

He realizes what is happening and wonders why he bothered wasting half his ander on a dmg gem. He doesn't bother to attack but instead, goes to make a sandwich because he knows you will be dead from exhaustion before he's done slicing the tomato.

He gets back just in time to call you a noob and ask you if there are any cool laughing emotes in the game. He then decides to ask grandma for her credit card again cause man this game is fun.

Next stop: the forum to complain about p2p/f2p and unfair match making in pvp. All because a level 20, not even a twink, dropped a deuce on you with 4 gems.

 

One of the reasons I like to play DSO is the mathematical design. The most fun thing is how players maximize his/her characters under limited resources. And that's the reason why higher tier gems don't have value of equal proportion. Steam, gas and nuclear under good control are source of power, but they become disaster when lose control. No one likes to see OP player in game.

I just wonder whether DSO can keep its mathematical design as usual by latest patches to keep me playing.

 

First, a bit of-topic;

The maths of this game is also what i really enjoy. I love sitting and calculating, on how to make my char as best as possible;-)


On-topic;

@fourtwenty68
You are annoying, insulting, you obviosly don't understand commen english, and you don't have any clue on how to have a creative discussion.

Your idea is pathetic, if you took the time to read(and understand) Multi-Sev's and BigPapa's posts, you would understand why.

I suggest you take a break from the forums, improve your english, learn a bit of grammar, learn how to have discussions, and learn the meaning of what we call "arguments".


Pls, any Mod, close this thread before it gets any crazier.


To everyone except fourtwenty68, have a nice day!

 

This thread makes me really excited and my fingers keep clicking delete, warn, delete, warn.
I have to close this thread just to avoid too much excitement.