Short bow or Long bow on pvp

always shortbows

 

Absolut not!
Shortbow for pvp and longbow for pve.
Got a friend with longbow, 1350-1575 dmg... don´t need speed, that just using more essenses and concentration

 

If you are a PVP player, I suggest using shortbows. This is because you will need the speed in order to react to your opponents. However, if you are a pure PVE player, using a longbow is much better as it uses concentration and essence slower while dealing out lots of damage. All the previous post suggest around the same thing too.
Conclusion:
If you PVP: shortbows
If you PVE only: longbows

 

always shortbows and i dont use essence unless i have to

 

Identifying hundreds of longbows just to save essence? that doesn't make sense.
low end pve, no matter longbow or shortbow, it is fine and no reason to use essence
high end pve(khalys,destructor) shortbow greatly increase ur survival,longbow?u need many time running instead of shooting.The funniest part is if u don't aim well,u even can't hit a moving target(destructor mortis).
CONCLUSION:everything that longbow can do,shortbow can do it either.but after investing all ur time to longbow set, only to find out u can barely hit opponent,alnost no pvp win. man , u gonna regret wasting time on longbow(but if u can find a 10% *2 atk spd 50%*2 weapon dmg longbow or u already have nice shortbow,it is fine)
In a word: speed is the key.

 

dmg per second is waht i care about

 

DPS is pretty-much all that matters for PvE. But, for PvP, burst damage (high crit chance + high crit damage) is just as important, if not more important. Probably the only thing more important than those, in PvP, is attack speed! For that reason alone, longbow for PvP is inadvisable for most players. It can be done, but you would need a lot of attack speed from other sources. Most casual players can't pull it off well.

 

It's a simple answer, Speed's better than Damage, It's true and it always will be.
It doesn't matter your bow has 500 damage and your opponent's has 250 damage, And he can shoot two or more arrows in two seconds, Meanwhile you just can shoot two arrows in five seconds, Obviously He'll win

 

Plain noob's answer ... at least that is clear.

It is not true and it will always be "not true".

 

It's for you. I understand there are myriad of rangers that use damage as their main ability, But It isn't means that my answer's wrong.
Put a big katana on the ground, I mean, put it in a machine that spin it slowly; Try to dodge it, You'll be able to, Now get the katana too fast, You won't be able to dodge it anymore, It'd hit you thousands of times in seconds. By the same token, You'd be hit by an archer with a fast-attack bow, But you can dodge arrows from an archer with a slow-attack bow like Matrix Neo does.

 

By your analogy ... try this experiment:
You have 2 items to experiment with.

Case1: You have a small firecracker that bangs 10 times per second. Take it ... light the fuse and try to hold it in your hand while exploding. You will have probably few burns ... but not big deal.

Case2: You have an hydrogen bomb which after is activated explodes once after 10 seconds. Activate it ... and run for your life as fast as you can.

After performing the "case2" come here and reply for conclusions.

 

I'd deactivate it before it goes off 'cause I'm the arrow, I'm kidding. You're talking as though the arrow'd explode near your opponent. That's not gonna happen. We're talking about ranger's arrows and they never go "kaboom", We only got fire arrows. It'd be cool if the ranger ability level 50 allows us to use explosive arrows, Isn't it?

 

Usually longbow users go with 2 attack speed bonuses, but a full damage short bow will have higher damage and higher speed. A long bow is a good choice only if you are not lucky with short bows

 

you can fire as many arrows as you want with speed but not much point if 1 or 2 hits kills you lol....
it's like putting a flyweight in with a heavyweight, the flyweight will run rings around you, but if the heavyweight catches you then goodnight

always a pleasure
soxx.....

 

Exactly ... they think they can spam arrows all around and decimate everyone around ... but forget that the target is moving as they are as well. On top of it if the short bow user and the long bow user have pretty much same defence it is more likely that the short bow user can't survive even 2 shots while the long bow user can more than 5.

It was a vague answer to your "katana attached to a blender". You don't expect to put your hand in the blender ... are you?

That is not quite correct. People forget that one can get pretty much high attack speed even with long bow. If we take example of a short and long bow users with same gear ... and if we deduct the base attack speed difference ... we can come to a result where the short bow user can have 2.00 attack speed and the long bow user something like 1.78. That means both of them are having the same attack speed but long bow user will always have higher damage.
People are using short bows because it is very easy to achieve good speed and damage with short bows. But ... with proper set up and proper gear ... long bow user can achieve good attack speed and beyond marvelous damage.
For some people this is just a theory ... but for me it is not. I am developing my toon for more than 3 years yet I am not at my expectations ... but only because I am F2P. ATM in the arena I can achieve attack speed something like 1.80 with over 2000 base damage ... and I don't have a single highest tier gem. Imagine what build could develop a P2W player.

 

Let's speak about numbers (and lvl 45 items), assuming that max dmg is 45, max weapon dmg is 40% and max atk speed is 15%, tell me the bonuses for your perfect long bow. My perfect shortbow will be better

 

Absolutely not true.
That would be case only and only if we play without gear (only bows equipped).
Otherwise I would benefit from the gear more than you would. My damage would rise exponentially higher than yours ... while our attack speed would remain the same.

EDIT: Not to mention that my critical hits would be even more devastating than yours. 285% critical damage is not the same with 1300 and 2300 base damage.

 

Why would you benefit more from the gears? The only difference would be wearing the dragan set, but it wouldn't be the best set-up for damage. Here some numbers, with 5*20 dmg gems and 3 options for long bow:

Short bow (47-87 base damage and 1.05 speed) with 2* weapon dmg (80%) and 2* damage (90)
427-499 dmg and 1.05 atk speed

Long Bow 1 (85-127 base damage and 0.83 speed) with 3* weapon dmg (120%) and 1* damage (45)
506-598 dmg and 0.83 atk speed

Long Bow 2 (85-127 base damage and 0.83 speed) with 2* weapon dmg (80%) 1* damage (45) and 1* speed (15%)
414-490 dmg and 0.95 atk speed

Long Bow 3 (85-127 base damage and 0.83 speed) with 1* weapon dmg (40%) 1* damage (45) and 2* speed (30%)
322-381 dmg and 1.079 atk speed

2nd and 3rd long bows can't be better, the first one needs a lot of attack speed to be usable. We have to reach at least 1.6, this means that we need 52.3% with the short bow and 92.7% with the long bow.

The average dmg difference (with the 25% dmg talent) is 113, the speed difference is 40%.

How can the long bow be better?

 

Dude you didn't observed the right bow ... do the forum search there are few other threads on this matter.
Also ... using the Dragan's Set is worst possible thing that you would want to do if trying to raise your damage. That set is increasing only the weapon damage by 15% ... which is crappy enchantment for rangers.
You should understand that weapon damage and pure damage are not having the same outcome in the total base damage.

 

I asked you to tell me the stats for a perfect longbow but i had no answer, so i used 3 combinations with max damage. You can search the forum but you can't find something better.

You missed the point of the dragan set, i wrote that dragan is not the best setup for damage. And the only way to have more benefits from gears with a long bow is the dragan set.

Btw, i understand the difference between weapon damage and pure damage, and imo 90 weapon damage is not enough for 40% atk speed.