Are DK completely outclassed by SW in PvP?

I have recently started playing, but I have a couple hundred 3v3 arenas under my belt, and the impression I get is that there is hardly any way for a team that does not include a SW to win, unless there is a massive advantage in gear.

It seems every skill DK have at their disposal is just a far worse version of what SW are given: we get the telegraphed jump, they get an instant teleport; we get a line stun, they get a cone and a circle that surrounds them, which they use to set up other spells; we are melee, they are ranged so they don't waste time walking to a stunned target. The DK skill tree is full of useless stats like attack speed (seriously, you are never going to attack someone more than twice in a stun duration, so why even bother with as). And on top of that, DK aren't even very tanky, typically I die in two lightning blasts, while SW can withstand 10 seconds of me beating on them.

I want to know if the situation improves later on, although given the typical mage power curves I doubt that it does. Right now DK feels like a support, stunning priority targets and running for your life, hoping that dps classes can get the kills.

 

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yyes theey are in 1v1

 

100% agree with Copperhead. I wanted to make a special topic on this but since i came across this one i do my feedback here.
DKs = second class citizens.
1)They are melee yet they cant tank shit. They die almost as easily as the range classes. like seriously think of it. absurd.
2)They dont have Rage and i just think if the other classes run out of their Source Power so easily. DKs as warriors should be the last class that runs out of Rage/mana or whatever, not the first. just absurd.
3)Then there is this special stun immunity which again is against them.
4)Their dmg isnt anything special considering the simply fact that they need to do so much effort to even get close.
5)Their speed, enasive abilities arent anything special either.

What does a DK when runs out of Rage? he prays.

 

DK as in a end game character, is the best class in the game. With the good gems and lot of glyphs are near impossible to kill in duels or 3vs3, because of their constantly regeneration. There are matches, where you can land 30 fireballs on a DK while he has to hit only 5 times. Here is a old video of my mage with 1500ish damage and crit damage 300% "just to show how paper every DK is"


As reading to your comment, you must have a new character without gems and low glyphs. My suggestion is to farm more and then do some pvp or spend some cash to make it faster. You really can't compare character classes if they are in other realm..
Means that other is 1month old and other is 3 years old.... You get my point.
Good luck!

 

What harra said. My new to endgame DK was essentially toast in 1v1 and 3v3 in late 2012~ 2013 to the point where I quit 1v1 and 3v3 for 6v6 and 5v5. But as I've now accumulated gems and glyphs and more optimal gear, and all the regen skills, I find 1v1 ridiculously easy. That level 40 pvp regen skill means you can wait out in 1v1 if needed.

 

Tell me honestly is there any class beside DK that runs out of source power ->( rage, mana etc), or even better doesnt have source power to begin with and for it he has to actually HIT someone to get like 6 Rage ?..(we are talking about a melee class here). The moment a DK reaches someone the last thing he wants is to make a normal hit (and get that OP 6-8 RAge.......!!! ). Or DKs are supposed to stand still and get hit to gain Rage...?
I think the class needs rework on Rage. Or decrease Rage cost of skills or increase Rage given by those ordinary hits (useful only in PVE).

Secondly i still believe as melee class (heavy armor user) DKs physical armor is low.

 

Hmmm, I play a DK and I think they're slightly OP, especially if they go 2H (I go 1H). Getting rage is easily. You have rage from hits and getting hit, plus furious battle cry and rage jump.

The thing about being a melee class is that the line between being underpowered and overpowered is very thin. Once you get to the point where you can survive hits and are skilled enough in playing the game with combos to others, you shift really quickly from underpowered dead meat to being an overpowered melee killer.

Edit: one other thing, heal-dps DK is at the moment much more effective than tank DK.

 

Look i completely understand the learning curve and how after i get used to it its OK and all that.
Humans can adapt to anything. There are people that eat with their feet and do other crazy things. There is nothing impossible. Same goes for the game. Through time i will adapt to the very nerfed Rage system of DK but that doesnt mean that the thing isnt nerfed.
When any of your useful skills need at least 20 Rage and the skills that actually give u Rage, give 6-8, which is the first reason why u wont use them and secondly because their damage/effects are simply not good compare to the rest of your skills. Since you have like one second to do what you have to do.
Then there is Leap that gives you Rage but thats barely for one skill plus u wont leap on your opponent that easily.
So the only skill that gives a certain and decent amount of Rage is Furious Battle Cry every 30 sec (or 22.5). The skill gives you 40 Rage which can be spend with 2 skills.
I think its pretty obvious that the class is in need of Rage.

There is a DK guy i play with and today he was really underwhelmed (thinking of stopping) because in PVP Rage is just too hard to get.
I really dont know whats the deal with Ranger or the other two classes. Do they face such frustration?

 

I see you say that the armour on a Dk is low, it is only low if your using low armour gear. It is very easy to het high armour and health on a dk, you can't just start the game and say straight away that dk's as a tanking class arent tanky. They are. And it's easy to get them tanky.

 

The thing is, it's not the class, it's how you play and the gear you have.
I play SW but I'm really weak, and my weakness is all the classes

EDIT: Then again I could be wrong, but whatever don't let me stop your fun.

 

For dk main thing is that FIRST you have to work a lot on your gear and after few months (even year) you can play pvp on high lvl...
Rage problem... well you can fix that if you put rage regeneration until 25 points (5 per sec) and after that you build rage trough hits and getting hit

 

As a ranger i can easily kill many tanky dks without being hit by them.Twink dks and p2w dks are the real tanks.And normal dks are under powered at low lvls.As for as healing dps dks, they are op at pve (or necessary to tank) but that is not helping much for them at pvp (especially at group matches).Mages have the advantage of low resistance opponents(bypassing armor) and easy fireball hitting (no need to mark opponents) with their stunning skills.

 

A lvl 45 dk with all the major uniques and a good shield at level 45 with 40 fame talent , are some of the toughest opponents . So at end game level , a DK would not be outclassed with the right equipments . At mid and lower levels however DKs require a lot of effort to pvp and level up with.

 

Expand the question a little.
Are all DK's outclassed by all SW's? Obviously not. OP end-game DK's routinely clean house in duels against all comers. And the issue of skill can turn mediocre gear into a stellar performer for any class.

Are some DK's outclassed by some SW's? Certainly. Gear, experience, and skill make the field wide open. Some of the best players in the server are SW, RA, or SM. So it just depends.

Over the entire server, only DSO would have the data to crunch the numbers, but they are not forthcoming.

 

Got to love it... Harra does 70K and Josep only did 14K. What that tells me is just how OP that LVL 40 PvP skill is in 1v1.