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The 350 would be enough i think since the comparison would be; get a level 50 leg with 350 or get a LLL and spend 45 mil GOP to get a 375. And if someone thinks its worth 45 mil GOP to get a .8% increase in crit rate out of a 4 crit line LLL, more power to em.

 

So why you didn't craft them?

 

Yes, thats the argument I made in the other thread. It's like saying someone that got an event item from back when should have it taken away because its no longer avail to new players.

 

Yes ... someone forced them not to do that?

And no ... I DO NOT posses such item ... just in case you might feel i am biased with my answer.

 

To me the point remains the same- give more Critical Hit Value to new players and leave the Veterans alone with their LLLs.. let everyone enjoy circa 375-400 line bonuses but then if the Veterans wann keep their tresures - let it be- everyone's a winner.

N.B. I do fear ( kind of) that if one can run a script and increase minimum values in CHV, one can also run a script and 'nerf' the LLL's... one could also remove them from the game all together... items have been removed from the game before ( remember the disc? ..running around the supermarkets to buy a copy of DSO with all the goodies all those OP wee items ? great times )

 

Improved Critical Hit Value after R156 - up by 39 points from 646 to 685... could we do a bit more please? :

 

Well, I did craft them but I was kind of too late into the game. I discovered that thread week before the r139, and grimmagestone was gone by that time. I have had 24,24,24,208 crit crystal from that time, and similar damage rings.

But my point isn't to nerf existing items, but holistically fix the issue they introduced. BP introduced. R139 didnt fix that, just made unavailable for the newer players.

And, BigPapa, you cannot really compare this bug to an older quest items.

And one more thing, not sure if you guys noticed, but they have nerfed the 45 lvl legendaries with r155. I have had 9 45lvl crystals, with a different combination of dmg, crit, and crit dmg. One of them is 26, 26, 21, 21 dmg. I didn't upgrade them, as I used another crystal with 3/1 dmg/crit lines. That 26, 26, 21, 21 crystal was 29, 29, 24, 24 at lvl 46. For whatever reason the very first upgrade of the item was giving more than the following ones. After the r155, this crystal upgrades 'normally', and is 27,27,22,22 at lvl46. Thats a nerf to existing item, as upgrade path of the item is part of the item. And I have melted other lower lvl 4x dmg crystals because when I compared it it was less dmg at lvl46, even though more dmg at lvl 45.

 

My argument is that BP basically admitted that it was a bug when they corrected the LLL items so that they no longer upgraded like that. If it was a bug, then everyone was exploiting a bug. I'm not saying that we should penalize the people who have/had them, but BP should do everything they can to render them obsolete.
It is different than uniques that are no longer available. Those are working as intended, but if there is a bugged unique, it gets fixed. Remember the gingerbread shield/quiver that could accept offensive gems? That is more like what we are seeing here... A bug that needs to be 100% fixed. Part of that 100% fix is making the LLL not worth keeping compared to new stuff.

 

I already asked this on the PT/BR version of this post but I was told that Greg is on vacation and Haruki dont talk portuguese so...

Will there be any rework on the uniques items? They're pretty much useless now...

And, please, take a look of this post. It talks about the big amount of GoP that's necessary to upgrade an item and, obviously, the time that we have to spend to get it all.

(I'll just use Google to translate, think any one can understand)


After several players claim that the value of the glyphs is too high (in my opinion INSANE), we received the response of Moderators we needed "have patience to wait for the patch polishes 155" ...
Or "will we find better equipment than the current If so, we replaced and the cost rise is cheaper; otherwise, patience to farm glyphs."

Well, we have had an official response from CM_Haruki:
"On the glyphs: the glyphs prices are well, far as I know."

The prices are well ???

Let's do the math of the glyphs x farm of time needed to get them?

Taking based on a lvl 50 player who farms three hours per working day (Monday to Friday)
and melt extraordinary items - magic and improved are sold to gold farm and any legendary, they are an exception and do not significantly alter the farm glyphs):
- A cleaned of map2 currently takes about 15 minutes (for premium).
- And assures us 5 extraordinary, 2,100 each = 10,500 glyphs for run.

In 1 hour = 42,000
3 hour = 126.000
5 days per week = 630.000
1 month = 2,520,000

To level 1 item Karabossa of 50 to 55 = 18,000,000 = 7 months farm.
3 items = 54,000,000 = 21 months = nearly two years.

11 items for leveling (not counting the weapons) = 82 months = 6 years farm.
MORE:

A set of Legendary weapons:
WAND = 55,000,000 = 22 months
BOOK = 55,000,000 = 22 months
TOTAL = 44 MONTHS = 3 Years and Half

A single set of weapons:
WAND = 92,000,000 = 36 months = 3 years
BOOK = 92,000,000 = 36 months = 3 years
TOTAL = 72 MONTHS = 6 years

In short: a heavy farm 3h a day, 5 days a week yields + - glyphs 2,500.00 / month.
To level A for Char lvl 55 need to farm for 10 to 12 years.

This is what seems good to Bigpoint.
And if we do PVP or events, we have to add this time the daily hours of play.

I not have more words to comment on the matter.

 

metal,

hi! i'll speak from my exp, doing clearing the full map in hod is not the best way to farm gops

now if you are premium i assume you can farm 3 bosses, and if you focus on gops you will probably run, if you are not prem i suggest to do 2 bosses and then run back to the portal

so here is my time i do 3 bosses in less than 6 min, but let's max it to 6 mins ok? --- 1run/6 min

each run gives me 3eos*2100 = 6300 gops
so per hr i'll be doing 10 runs 60min(1run)/6 min = 10 runs/hr
3 hrs per day = 3hr *10 runs/hr =30 runs
5days = 30*5=150runs
the year has 56 weeks = 150*56 =8400

in the whole year your mínimum number would be 8400*6300 = 52.92M gops according to my method, just by running and do only 3 bosses (if you are prem and suicide right after the 3rd boss) you are saving yourself 10 months of playing,

 

As Zamvel said, there are easier ways to farm glyphs. Now, people say double armor break is back, run the HoD knights only. Shouldn't take more than 4-5 minutes for a good (not OP) player. I do HoD solo in 4 minutes, 3 minutes with the mage+tank duo. I upgraded my karabossa helmet to lvl54 in 11 days or so. 1M glyphs per day are very doable (I do 1.5M+ in some very long and boring days). If you can't run knights only yet, use the Zamvel suggestions, but also try to skip lots of mobs. you will get better eventually and will be able to run knights only. 50 to 55 upgrade prices are very reasonable. It was much worse before. And I guess lvl54 should be enough for most of the items, and perhaps lvl53 for the weapon and offhand.

 

So, you're saying that you can get about 1 mil Gop per day (if... in "that" day, your only activity is to farm at knights). Asuming... you have about 5 legendaries which need to be upgraded (weapon, weapon decoration, book, shield, rings) and 5 uniques (sets) on the right side (helmet, robe, gloves, etc)... and knowing that for a legendary item (upgraded from 50 to 55) you will need about 120 - 180 mil Gop and for an unique - from 50 to 360 mil Gop (depends on the item),(dimensional rift costs about 360 mil)... you gonna need about 750 mil Gop for legendaries and about 500 mil for uniques... overall, about 1.25 billion Gop. For all those items you gonna need about... 1500 days of farming, meaning 4 years from your life, doing only farming for Gop. Asuming that you don't have a life, that you are a robot or something like that... you call that resonable, rational into a game that is supposed to be fun to play !? Think about it... 4 years dedicated for upgrading some items. Do you find any logic in this !? It's a GAME !!! Do you really think that... after 4 years of doing only farming for Gop... the items are gonna be usefull or the DSO game will even exists !?
Just think... use your brain before write something at your first impulse !

 

Ok, now that i know that you are great, one of the best and more powerful players ... please step away
And let the NORMAL people discuss about what is wrong and what is right.
For sure, from my point of view, you are NOT representing the majority at all.

Happy to see that you are strong and beautiful, but this is useless for me

 

The point is valid in any case; average or OP. Even if you could farm 2 million GOP a day it would take you nearly 3 weeks to upgrade one side of your gear from 50-51. Spending 3 weeks doing the same thing over and over sounds really fun don't it? The price for upgrade is way too steep a climb.

 

Ok so CM'S

Could you pass info to the devs that they need to make sure we are still able to farm GoP in Map 2 after the upgrade. Maybe give us a repeatable quest like the coins for 1 legendary gear worth of glyphs reward

 

Hey Zam, There is 52 weeks in a year.

Thanks, Doc.

 

Lvv50 to lvl55 upgrade is only 20M+, go check. 50 to 54 8s just 11M. It is the same for lvl50 unique, and lvl 50 legendary besides the weapon and the offhand. I am not in rush to get everything to lvl55. But even that is pretty doable.

Now, you don't need to be OP to run knights in 4 minutes. Team up with the 2h-tank/mage, use the head plus singularity on the knight, kill him only fast, pick up only pink/blue/legendary and run to another. Now you can also mount a horse when running. And don't tell me you can't skip mobs on the way to the first knight even if you are akoy-stat character.

Mage goes with the shield, could be in the armor setup, dragan, whatever. Tank goes 2handed.

If you can't find one, get into the guild.

Learning curve is the same. I was doing the same slow thing you do, m2 3k with all the mobs. But as I developed my char, I eventually started skipping the mobs in duo runs. I'm not saying solo is easy, it's hard, but duo with the dual armor break is really easy. Go and try. Equip some blue if killing knight is too long. With the r155 it is even easier, as mage got infinite singularity combined with the mind control. Mobs attack you - mind control + Singu in the safe area, step into the Singu to speedup the cooldowns, mount the horse, run.

Now that is becoming off topic for this thread, I will stop here. Plus, there is no point in arguing with the 'use your brain' kind of folks, at least until they started doing that MegaNuker created a separate thread on glyph farming.

And guys I didn't mean to be rude or to show-off, I apologize if that sounded like that. Take it as an suggestion and claim it is really doable for a normal player.

Normal people should discuss normal maps ) difficult maps are for the stronger players, obviously jokes aside, please be so kind and don't tell what to do. Perhaps you don't know what you are capable of, who knows. I step away with my right for a feedback, 20M to upgrade thing to 55 is a reasonable cost. Good luck

 

Since always i was saying that new players should not get everything that the older players have ... even if it is a costume or a mount.
i was playing events years ago and I have earned it ... why should the new players have option to buy it? It is a mark of a time ... either you was there or you wasn't. End of story.

Now ... I don't mean to be offensive I will just make a few points.
1. We don't choose our friends by class ... me for an example ... i don't play with too many DKs ... because my friends are mostly rangers and SWs. So we are playing for fun ... we don't do math how much we get per run or what is the best scenario for quick farm.
What i see in your point of view is P2P player trying to squeeze out every single bit of the invested money.
My friends and I are mostly F2P ... we don't have that problem. we only hang out and enjoy.
That doesn't mean that I didn't contributed to this game ... in fact I did more than most of the heavy spenders did.
2. Typical pre-R155 thinking ... DKs looking for SWs and other way around ... well you are to much bounded that is your downside.
Rangers learned not to be dependent to anyone ... and now we have the most powerful armor breaking skill. I can make runs faster ... alone ... that any SW and DK can do. In fact we made a testing ... now when you have a ranger in group it is always faster run than without it.
3. SWs have infinite mana and yet they still using MC on every single monster. I hate when I spend all of my concentration just to figure it out that some SW has put a spell on my monster ... WHYYYYY !!!! Why the hell ... when my skill is more efficient than singularity? The answer is: a bad habit.

 

I am with you here, for the mounts, costumes, old set items, quests etc, but not for the OP bugged items. Not sure why do you disagree here, or do you disagree. but let it be.

No offence taken and mean in reply.
1. Yes, I do also hang up with my friends as well. That's not the point. You have an opportunity to get fast glyphs if you want to. For example, you just want to improve your shield. You don't have to, but you can. So it is not that the upgrade cost is way too high, it is just people don't want to use what option is on the table. M2 5K is pretty fun, isn't it?
2. Yes and no. I used to solo after r155 (as a mage), but now, when the double armor break is back, it will be easier to duo with someone. And I agree rangers now would be a very good option.
3. It has nothing to do about the knights-only run. Before r155 I used MC on knights exclusively, so it has no effect unless for the extra singu and explosion with freezing everything around to faster pick-up all the goodies. as for the normal full map runs - I'm with you, I hate waiting for the MC-ed mob.

 

so if upgraded low level item considered as bug , how about old 2hd sword pre 155 with 1,05 speed , that item still exist in game ,so if a player has decent or godly sword pre 155 ,they are lucky,they can keep it with same speed while the new sword has only 0,95, so I´m agree with traki , it's mark of time , we have it at that time or not . so inrelevant to compare item exist in different patch or time. I dont have such item and even I knew it, if not mistake,I remember one of vet ,mikeymetro, posting many his low items with not only such high critical rate but damage ,HP and armor too compare too higher or end level item. so for me simple, it's inrelevant to compare items exist in different patch.

note: Bp admit that speed on old sword as bug ,as mistake too ,but luckyly if we have that old version 2hd sword (1,05) with godly stat, we can keep it.