R160 + Premium changes

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  1. rpfo

    rpfo Padavan

    Why do players buy Premium? To get cubes , to respawn inside maps.

    U announced that from r160 cubes will drop for all players. What does that mean?

    Means that from now on ill let my premium subscription ends , will start stacking cubes. As a premium i use to stack 100+ of them anyways.

    After i get a huge amount of cubes , ill buy 1 month premium! -> oops will buy 3 days :)

    Will open all the cubes i stacked.

    Since premium cant respawn inside maps of huge bosses , all ill have to do is farm and save some anders to pay in case I die on them. Wont need that much , be sure!

    Cubes belongs to premium subscriptions only. No point of premium after this!
     
  2. alonedz

    alonedz Forum Apprentice

    Game has becoem Less P2W :) and premuim still give advantage to us :) i belive that drop rate for unique like spark roshans keen set ebtter for premuim and i belive Premuim Still good in fatal mode to much death if u was a dmg dmg dwarf or mage u will need it when solo play and still premuim will have more space Just don't say that we payers must be op then free players :) in this game to be strong alote of time and good gems with money and premuim even from beta version its not make a big defrence in game :) finely please stop craying because i see alot of devlopment in this game in last patches :)
     
  3. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Oh god... not another conspiracy theorist. There are plenty of people without those uniques, but who have had premium since it has come out who would argure with you to the contrary. It is just luck and if the PRNG likes you or not.
     
  4. alonedz

    alonedz Forum Apprentice

    i have more then 1 year in game still 1/3 :) i know friends got full set lvl 50 after 1 month after lvl 50 patch
     
  5. .Baraba.

    .Baraba. Advanced

    Not conspiracy theory, I have premium and also play it without it... there is different between the drop rate. And its not little one.
     
  6. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    nonsense
     
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  7. KanKomar

    KanKomar Forum Apprentice

    I agree with rpfo, there will be no more valuable benefits for premium players after this r160, so I will stop paying
     
  8. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    I've discovered that using left handed mouse setup improves drop of uniques. Since then, I got tons of unqiue, but only for the left side. Various amulets, weapons and rings) guess you are still better farm right sided items with right-sided mouse)
     
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  9. Regarding the "Conspiracy" about premium:
    We have asked many times and every time we get the same answer. There is no difference in the drop rate for items with and without premium. The only difference is that of "perception." As human beings, we attempt to assign meaning to random (and pseudorandom) events, but to borrow a principal from science, "Correlation does not imply causation." Because the game uses a Pseudorandom Number Generator, there are times where "luck" appears to be better or "luck" appears to be worse because the PRNG can enter a semi-resonant state where certain values show up more frequently. Personally, I've gone months without a single world drop unique drop, and then I'll get two in a one hour window. If I didn't understand how a PRNG works, I'd assume that I did something right and that I ought to attempt to replicate it. I'd then drive myself mad obsessing over what I did differently but never find the magical action that will give me tons of uniques a day. Feel free to discuss the changes in premium, but please drop the conspiracy theory about drop rates between premium/non premium, or P2P/F2P, or new account/old accounts. It is all luck based on a PRNG.

    I leave you with a little bit of humor about "Correlation does not imply causation."
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Celticrain1982

    Celticrain1982 Forum Apprentice

    I would love to know the logic behind this change after r160.
     
  11. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    Kind of stupid. Got four of those 3 day premium passes stashed away and have hit level 50 wisdom for all characters, so i guess i can just let my premium lapse and will just stash cubes and open them when I use a 3 day pass, unless they add something to premium to make it worth it.
     
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  12. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I love conspiracies. :p I've done premium and non premium and if there is a difference, I never noticed it. I had the same crappy drops no matter how much I spent.

    When you first start a character, premium makes a huge difference. The respawning, the shuffling of daily quests, the extra inventory space, the free travel all are worth the monthly fee.

    Once you level up, open up your locker and inventory and get decent gear, I personally don't see the point of the monthly fee. Spend that same $13 dollars per month on gems and you'll really be making a difference to your character.

    I know that cubes can occasionally give something good, but I didn't find it worth the monthly fee when I did use premium. Maybe if they dropped 3 or 4 times more often than they do now, then maybe.

    Now back when premium used to give free gear id, that was different.
     
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  13. Darwarren

    Darwarren Count Count

    Try cost/benefit analysis instead of drop analysis. The statistics for reliability are much easier.

    It only compares 2 possibilities: premium, and no premium. Everything can be converted to money values.
    Pick your best premium cost, and use it for both possibilities. Easy to compare $$ to $$.
    Benefits for premium: cubes, ease of travel, whatever is of value for you.
    The final list should reduce everything to an easy comparison. What you spend versus what you get.

    For me the travel aid and the value of cube items justify the costs. I want travel now without thinking about it, and I like my gems.
    (But I also purge my CC info from DSO control.)

    PS. I find no correlation between premium membership and the quality or quantity of drops. However, DSO purchases by credit card do seem to make me "lucky" for a few hours. The first run of map is "lucky" too, especially if I haven't been there for a while.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2016
  14. rpfo

    rpfo Padavan

    Omg that was fun! If premium / mouse brings lucky id still trying to find mine. im premium for more than a year , never got predator (though i wont use it) , dont have a single set completed yet lol.

    This is about the Premium benefits! When they drop cots from the game , they introduce cubes as a premium benefit and also as a compensation from free id items premium used to have. No matter what the cubes gives , its supposed to be a premium benefit.
    I mean a customer that pays for the product monthly , not for a 3days/1 hour dunno the possibilities.

    Like they didnt predicted well on players putting all their points on dmg from r155 , it looks like they cant predict that ppl will buy only 3 days.

    If the premium benefits are :
    1 - Travel free
    2 - Respawn free (not in big bosses as we all know)
    3 - Cubes

    And now cubes will be for all , premium will become expensive since we will lost one of the benefits by paying for just 2 instead of 3.

    For all end game players its gonna be useless. We have speed , we can across most maps running without killing. We make gold fast to pay for travel. We dont even travel that much....

    As long as cubes will be public , they at least must premium service does something that worths pay a month+ like we do.
    -> I sugest respawn free inside big bosses ahahahahah ( so we dont pay 120 anders) lmao
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2016
  15. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    There must a catch ... like always.
    Either give the cubes to all (without restriction) or just keep them for the premium users.
    It is like holding a cold glass of water in front of a thirsty man in the desert. This way they want to force you to buy premium.

    About those drops:
    Nonsense ... premium has got nothing to do with the drops.
     
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  16. AnnaConda

    AnnaConda Someday Author

    I have a basic ranger, no special gear or armour, no premium, don't spend in-game money. Just love it, beautiful graphics.
     
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  17. hmm

    hmm Forum Apprentice

    Give f2p cubes so p2p have better competitors, it's enough unfair allready, paying to speed up progress in a game is ok though.
     
  18. KellueéHazé

    KellueéHazé Junior Expert

    my friend found 2 roshans in the same run 2 IN THE SAME RUN of karabossa... which I find is stupid
     
  19. DjPatryk123

    DjPatryk123 Forum Apprentice

    its probably that you get mystic cubes but! you can open them only with premuim thats what i think
     
  20. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    That was changed in the most recent announcement. They will stay the same... only dropping for premium.
     
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