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  1. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    Grimmag server is almost dead, there is very little players. BP don't even care .. They should write a book "How to kill the game that players love in 4 easy steps" :D
     
  2. tothmartin

    tothmartin Someday Author

    Hello Haruki,

    I am not sure if you are familiar with (or a PRO in) PVP but recently I read the forums in multiple languages. People are complaining about the fact about pvp that skill is NOT important anymore. Players just put in max runspeed and/or max damage and spamming their high damage skills and players get killed by1-2 hits. Poor tanks mostly can suffer damage, dwarfs heal like above 10000 HP per every 3 seconds if not stunned. Therefore please forward my idea to the PVP design Team, just please let them read it once maybe they get some idea directions from it.
    1st: Apply life protection in pvp and a player should not get higher damage as netto 2000 per second (after block and reductions) or maybe better a higher amout of brutto damage per second which would be better because of the equipment differences.
    This protection could have also some effect against vortex+iron head+rocket+deadhly blow shot combination's extreme reductions or extreme damage. The amout of this limit could be fine tuned by the developers and professional pvp testers experience to tune for balance for all 4 classes.

    An example: A player initiates 2 attacks with 2000 base damage Critical hit luck happens in all cases +150% damage then 5000 damage/hit. Skill that was used has 200% multiplier, so 10k damage per hit. It would be a very nice 20000 damage but the limit is for ex 6000 dmg/ sec so in real 6000 damage -reductions happen in a that second.

    2nd: Maximalize healing /minute in a pvp game. I am not sure what is the best value here, maybe 10k per minute including potions and on 5v5 the available map heal spheres. This would have effect on the re-spawns, too. I see players can have advantage if they die and die, they come back with full hp pretty soon on flag. If the hp heal limit exceed they can come back with less amuont of HP.

    maybe a 3rd option: maximalize runspeed in a pvp match.

    You already implemented something similar in the past in 1v1 and 3v3 that if the time is over a player with 30000 Hp can die the same time as another with 5000 hp as far as I know. This was implemented against "HP laming" at end games.
    But there are other possibilities for making games uneven that players can not prepared in advance: Running, extreme high damage, extreme healing and also the combinations of them.
    Thank you!
    Have a good day :)
     
  3. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    10000 life points in 3 second ahahahaha omg I'am crying :D
     
  4. tonariway

    tonariway Forum Apprentice

    I thought I should come and visit this wrong named thread. Then I thought I should put here another meme related to this game, but whatever meme I make it hurts our GREAT community feelings. So I promise, I'll be merciful this time. I'll hold my evil inside.
    But just came to my mind, why I'd to feel "repetition" sense in this game so often (obviously, I don't feel it now since I don't give *an evil word* about this game anymore)? Lol, just read what superb event DSO offers on May was enough.
    P.S Making a new meme for myself to write on this forum, cause anyways I'm not going to check it for next few months rofl *makes it my desktop backround*.
     
  5. MANOJ

    MANOJ Forum Pro

    Off Topic (or not) question:

    I have seen 50% discount on gem sale twice in my entire DSO life.
    Is there any particular time when such sale goes on or is it random coming live when the DSO team get too high?
    50% is a big happy deal when you have plans of buying the big shiny gems.
     
  6. LudiGrozd

    LudiGrozd Advanced

    In a game publishing company it's always a bad business to make players unhappy (keep that in mind). We are waiting Curse of the Black Knights event and yet again we are given something other then that what we need/want. This looks like a slap in the face to me.
     
  7. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Nope ... publishers only care for the profit.
    Publisher is just another word for loan shark.
    It is the development team who cares about the game and the players.
     
  8. Armando

    Armando Forum Connoisseur

    Educated guess: Before / in time for the next Twitch stream (announced for April 29th).
     
  9. Sudiscia

    Sudiscia Someday Author

    actually all is broken. pve and pvp
    pve is boring as even i don't know what..boss farming still available with EURO ( unbelievable really...it's like tomorrow they put a fee on 3v3 matches out of nowhere). and ofc even with this release IT'S REALLY STRANGE TO NOT SEE THIS FEATURE IN IT. how is possible? now it's 3 releases that they " can't" solve..or maybe..they don't want to solve anything. :D

    arena / pvp it's a shame.

    no one can survive to a skill. lololol
    i'm a mage of server heredur. not a random mage. maybe not the strongest one but one of the 3 mages of our server.
    situation for mages it's EMBARASSING.( mostly for 1h mages, YES THE ONE THAT YOU ASKED TO BE BILANCED)
    actually it's the worst class in arena and if i could will never raccomend to anyone to use.
    main skill still FIREBALL 127% dmg that started to be really low compared to others skills of other classes.
    frozen sphere LOLOLOL u can use just in 5v5 ( in my opinione, the king of noobs arena, just think about the pourpose..) and not that easy. because u have to stun your enemy( and pray that he can't jump away), u need to stay in a short distance ( y OFC A MAGE TO USE THIS SKILL NEED TO BE NEAR THE ENEMY. BP LOGIC).
    in 3v3 it's pretty impossible to use. vs dks it's a dream. no one let his self to be hitted by this troll skill. ( btw u need to be a engineer to use)
    mage's stuns are 1 SEC DURATION..1 SEC...u even dont have time to press stunn that it's unstunned.

    with my stats that are very impressive ( yes, they are.) i can't hit more than 4.5k in arena to GOOD players with fireball, the 20% time that it's not blocked, in that case our skill deals 1.1 1.5k dmg ahahaha on chars that have 10k + hp

    meanwhile a random ranger can oneshoot you easily, no matter stats, dmg, crit hit, crit dmg. just press EA and work done. 0 skills needed.
    really a good job seems.


    and ofc how we can forgot about this brilliant combination : 1600+ critical hit on axe FOR FREE ( it's just fair on 2h. not on 1h) + multiple break armour ( with possibility of more than 60% ( yes because every dks has more thant that critical hit) to use again and again and again.

    and u pretend to have a fair and bilanced arena. in this conditions? really?

    so starts to lower by 1/3 EA dmg ( ofc all rangers will cry like babies because now it's great and funny to have bad stats but one shoot playes easily)
    start to take away free critical hit from 1h axes because it's absolutly not fair. op talent + op crit hit free. and we? op what? nothing.
    i'm thinking of what kind of advantage a mage can have..but i can't find anyone lol....

    and then for sure u will have a more bilanced game.
    but those are just some tips. the first ones.

    re-introduce 4 secs of immunity after first stun. ( no really sense to take away from game lol)
    put in game some new bonus in pvp section/ knowledge.

    but now arena it's a shame. everyone can shoot everyone.

    btw. i'm speaking like a player of dso. not a mage. keep out your lovely class. and think about on what is fair and what is not fair. only in this way u can try to improve this game.

    GJ
     
  10. RichMan

    RichMan Active Author

    All this "improvements" are for the arena only. So what happenes in PVE if the ranger gets the nerf again ? They are already week in PVE and to say the truth i have been done some random groups farm and i barely saw 3 or 4 ranger in a month in my group. They one shot you with 1 EA so how much HP you have (5k?) ? A mage in the arena gives a blast and if you feel that you cant do that maybe its not the game but the user it self.
     
  11. -SirMadMan-

    -SirMadMan- Someday Author

    Every character class, except for the one I am currently playing, is ridiculously over-powered. The character class that I am currently playing is inherently weak and deprived - socially ostracised, discriminated against and a veritable social pariah. Of course... when I switch character classes, the new one becomes the weak and deprived character class and the one I was previously on becomes part of the favoured over-powered classes.


    Back to reality for a moment: every character class has its strengths and weaknesses. If a player constantly gets their arse handed to them in PvP (or PvE), the player should first look to themself for an answer. Farm for and select better items, farm for better gems, farm for glyphs to boost your items, select appropriate skills for the enemy you're facing, and all your woes start to evaporate. Or just bitch about imaginary "issues" and hardships in the forum. See which solution will work best.
     
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  12. eedman86

    eedman86 Junior Expert

    Nope, you're talking like a mage (a pretty weak one) who has never played ranger or any other classes.
     
  13. Sudiscia

    Sudiscia Someday Author

    enter in game man. 95% of rangers play with q4 bow. all the time they just press scatter shot. u need gameplay/skills to do that? ARE U SERIOUS?
    stop dreaming. game IS NOT ANYMORE BASED ON SKILL/GAMEPLAY.
    i can agree with u 1 year ago with GREEN+RED.
    NOW rangers spamm even EA without GREEN BEFORE. and just EXPLOSION even without hit u directly but 1 meter from u hit 2/4k... and he even missed u...but hey EXPLOSION RANGE it's important.


    btw like i thought. every little ranger cry, it's obvius.
    but no one said anything about DKS, just wait some times to let them read forum and run here to cry. ( like u have done)

    i played with 13k hp with 79% armour ( hp that a mage can just dream with very high offensive stats) and i'm playing now with 9k ( with even higher atk stats).
    it's not my problem if in pve will be even weaker. i not created this skill. before introduce something u need to test it.
    and weaker in pve???? LOL in almost every boss u can find some points where is possible to deal X2 DMG with 1 red arrow. and u call this weak? come on guys BE REALIST. stop defending your class.


    and this will be my favourite answer.

    farm for better gems ? ROYALS stone.
    farm or glyphs? 360kk glyphs ( all items at 55, even cloack, PLUS glyphs without possibilitys to use.)
    farm for better items? if u want i can post my stats in this forum lol. but i can tell you that actually i'm bored in pve. all set of all q get..all legend that i needed get.
    u can tell me no gameplay? when i play vs mages 99% of the time win. y because with a mage u can't oneshoot each other. u have to play.
    it's not about ME. i already explanaited.
    those are not imaginary issues, maybe u are a ranger and ofc for u are imaginary :D

    day after day more and more players start to play with quiver/ 2h weapon... WHY? why this? we always played with SHIELD because in past time SHIELD WAS SAFE. U KNOW THAT WITH shield u can resist to a nice number of atks.
    but know is not anymore..so no one use anymore shield :D
    but this is too imaginary..
    skills are not dealing to much dmg..nonono...it's all imaginary.
    all know that actually in arena it's a oneshoot...but it's all imaginary.

    a oneshoot..that with a fireball it's not possible but with your EA it is.
     
  14. Mario_Boss

    Mario_Boss Regular

    Hi Haruki

    When can we expect new lvl expansion?
     
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  15. wangwang

    wangwang Active Author

    You may be a good mage but you know nothing about axe,it is slower compared to what it should be 1.11 and the dmg is 37.7% lower than hammer which equivalent to mage's 1h.
    Dunno if the crit on axe should be called as you stated 'FREE'
     
  16. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    He is lacking basic understanding in the game mechanics. And the devs like those kind of people ... because they usually have more money than brains ... that is why the devs made these changes to PVP since R155 and the arena is broken.
    The solution is easy ... lower the damage for all players and bring back the 4s immunity ... and we are back in business. No more 1-2 shot kills. ATM minimum requirement for any player not to be 1-2 shot killed is something like 50K HP.
    In the past we had 3-4K HP with 400 to 800 base damage ... now we have in average 4K-6K base damage with almost equal amount of HP.
    No wonder the arena is broken.
     
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  17. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    When cheaters won't be getting 1M :p
     
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  18. Sudiscia

    Sudiscia Someday Author


    hey hey hey little noob ranger.
    who is lacking on game mechanics? me? just because i'm not thinking like u?
    stay calm. i'm not offending u.
    u are speaking about money. and u even don't know me. how can u be that funny?
    i'm not lacking in anything. i play arena. i know how is working and i repeat..i play REAL arena ( 3v3) not that fake arena called 5v5.
    so next time think better before speaks to someone u even don't know.
    or maybe u think that needs just money to create a good char? because if u think this..i'm not the one who lacks in mechanics my dear. nowadays stones are 0.

    i already wrote about 4 SECS IMMUNITY....GOOD MORNING.
    and maybe try to read better.
     
  19. RichMan

    RichMan Active Author

    So when you farm with rangers in group you usually farm with them bosses only and not the maps too ? Its not your problem if they will be even weaker in PvE but they must be for the arena because your royal gems cant stand a shot. And i am not defending my class i am not a ranger i am a DK(used to play ranger and actually all classes). I stoped pvp since R155 because its broken. with all that damage everyone can get you think that armour can stand a chance if you dont have block with it ? PvP will never be fair in any way. Making a class useless wont solve your problems in pvp so deal with it.
     
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  20. Sudiscia

    Sudiscia Someday Author

    80 block....
    Basically u said the same thing like me..
    And as a mage I'm doing the same dmg like before with fireball.
    Problem Is not dmg. Problems are new skills that are too much OP
    If I hit with fireball I hit 4k 5k with uberstats, like before.
    I hit with frozen sphere I hit 10k+..

    New skills are the problem.
    And think about it. What is the meaning of buy royals stone if u can't survive??? Obviously anyone.


    Btw I farm alone. I hunt all fatal bosses alone. I told u..I'm not a random mage...
     
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