Development Team Letter - CLASS BALANCING

Well im sorry to see that you think this way , it seems your ego just cant let you do the calculations for yourself or you just believe dwarfs are only pure dmg which is not my problem if you look only from the one side of the spectrum.

 

Really?
I am very well aware that chain lightning does half the damage of your main attack.
Also I play with a dk but you just dont seem to understand perks?
Example you have a full end game character and you have 30k dmg
on top of that you have 80% crit and your cd is rated at 200% even
Now on 30k damage you will have 7.5k chain lightning attacks x crit and cd youre looking at 22k hits to hordes at a time
Now you use the bearach staff and you deal an additional 80% damage to currently electrocuted monsters.
We are talking an insane amount of damage here due to you doing that damage to not 1 or 5 monsters but a mass of monsters
Yah sure chain lightning is weak....
Oh wait

 

From what I can tell you like to complain
There is not vary many OP tanks on agathon, some that are there I do know.
Now you want to destroy a whole class just because life is unfair when you don't put the effort into your own toon?
The only balancing that the game actually needs is for the hp gem to be the same across all classes because the hp is lower on other classes than dk.
This will allow all classes to survive longer in pvp and pve and create a balance.
DK will get the short end of this straw since we are not a ranged class but at least it will enhance the survivability of other classes.

 

You generally got the point of the 2 post wrong..... you get 50 dmg from bearach staff not 80, while chain lightning hits 3 mobs so ill still prefer magic missle or sigi set bonus to farm mobs since ill use my frozen sphere more often and hit all mobs.

About the second post its true DK s play FOR FREE you dont loose ess at bosses and rarely die so you dont lose anders while we have to lose....... hmmmmm sich a nice logic... And the fact you play on Agathon is by no mean problem of the pople in the other servers....

The proble with dk is that is basically 2 classes in 1 he has tanky skills and high dmg skills which is really strong like you should not have dragon hide on def tank but you also yould not have the lv 45 skill ( the banner ) for 2h i mean these skills were ok for lv 40 and 45 when tanks were 1h semi tanky semi dmg now its busted to have complete immunity to death so you can smash the boss for straight 8 sec....dissagree with me but its true( if a tank uses red at boss he can heal all hp from 1 spin while mages need to use pots all the time and run in circles so we dont die....... like the pve skill which grants hp regen on low hp is also too good and you dont need to be op or anything a semi decent tank can defeat almost all classes a dk with 112 k hp and good def stats cant be defeated with 25k dmg ranger with max crit ...... hmmmm fair right >?? unless the ranger is holy lucky and crits 2 EA in a row without a block.

So as a conclusion id say tanks have way too many ways to sustain you are melle ok but you either should not outdamage other classes ( since you have a tank mode) or you should not be able to heal while dealing dmg since this will again make you outdamage all since you dont need to run.

 

Ok lets say your idea is implemented and tanks cannot heal pls now write the alternative way to fight boss with 2h dk without healing im just intrested what your idea is i understand you want to take away healing from a MALEE class but what you want to give them in return ? ( And remeber if youll make 2h DKs switch to shield only and play with 1 skill all the time at least 80-90% of DKs i know will stop playing. Why ? Ill give you a reason Ill rather stop playing/delete char than run with shield and press 1 skill <- my opinion and my friends )

 

Easy.Attack until the boss hits you like 1-2 times then use banner of war and dragon hide.Attack for like 10s until the dragon hide goes off then u run for 30-40 sec until you get the skill back on cd and repeat.We all run and attack, i have faith that u can do that too.You will kill the boss in like 2 -3 minutes, just like the mages do.

You can also skill the Superhuman regeneration too..

 

"or you should not be able to heal while dealing dmg since this will again make you outdamage all since you dont need to run"
nonon my friend dragon hide doesnt heal so this idea just went down only heal you have is the regen skill that 1h dks use

 

Mighty wild swing and superhuman regeneration + maybe Q4 rings.If hipotetically speaking you wont have the hp reg from the dragon hide, u can still survive quite well with those 2 skills and the q4 ring(s) and a bit of running here and there.

 

MWS doesnt work only REGENERATION from skill Dont know whats more shocking to me your solution or the fact that you are truely trying to make sense out of taking reg from malee class not mentioning that your solution is good for idk painful or fatal mode ? i play inf2/inf3 only with your solution i wont be able to go there ill need to find a group everytime i want to go there = delete cha/stop playing But thank you for your input

 

Wow wow again
A dk educating a sw on their class......

I am a 2h dk and want to create a buld for farming inf3 and pve not seperate builds all over the show.
Now due to chasing certain attributes my hp is 38k only
As for your uneducated view in the game it seems you know nothing about the class let alone your own
Dragon hide provides 80% more resistance and yes regen too but I get 1 hitted by a t5 boss
Invulnerability my xxx
Next you probably do a lot of pvp.
Now in the said pvp you fight a 1h tank and think that's all there is to the class
Do you suffer from inherent comprehension that you play against people who have crafted a lifetime?
I play 2h only and I die a lot I die a bucketload
me vs my ranger friend I have only 8k more hp than him and otherwise regarding stats its more or less the same
I die more than him though because my hp is as low as it is
Tell me how often does a ranged player have to deal with a direct hit from a boss?
I would say about 10 to 15 times less than a melee fighter.

Anyways maybe you haven't invested in learning what damage is.
Because damage is not only damage its damage x speed x critical hitrate x critical damage and it also includes accumulated damage aka damage over time.

Tell you what insert you stats on dsopage.beplaced.net make a screenshot and post it as a reply.

You got the bearach staff wrong heck maybe you havent even been to pw.

If you look at my post I said half the damage for chain lightning of the main attack
Note that half means 50%
Look at the perk from the bearach staff on the screenshot
Which is why my calculation was 7500 damage based on a char that does 30k damage.

Enough of this lol

 

So youre telling all dks out there that they cannot solo maps for your convenience?
I too would rather quit the game than bash a boss for 3 hours

 

That picture of the staff is out dated and wrong. Here is the current version

 

Nevermind
Youre right I am wrong
Looks like they standardised the damage across the board for the weapon.

However do you use chain lightning I am interested to know what you do when used as a main attack
can you make a screenshot of chain lightning vs mobs?

Also I see that you use 3 parts witch seeker and I would guess that dragan helm too but cannot see it from your crown

However since you have chosen that specific setup I cannot imagine you focusing much on critical hitrate due to you using the cloak of heroes because you need 25k critical hitrate for 80% on inf3
Not that I know what is in your helm or think to know but I would rather opt for the kerabosa cloak to get another 10% chr from set bonus and another 7.7% from the cloak itself and you get more critical damage.
As for your choice of rings
Ring of death is better when crafted with only critical damage since you gain an extra 10% attack speed
Now I can tell that you prefer damage a lot but you want speed and that might be the reason you have chosen the cloak of heroes
As your build is at the moment it must be pretty strong seeing that you have done a lot of effort to squeeze the very last bit of damage from your build
Note that the malicius water effect from getting q9 boots can also help you a lot.
Defeat the undefeatables is coming up and I dare not tell you what you have chosen to insert into your build but you can farm drakens for hp runes etc soon

 

No one uses chain lightning NO ONE and Im saying that as Q4 set user. The only chance I may use it is when on boss fight to electrify foe once; 3 targets for 50%? (k + electrified bonus from Q4); I rather Sigri's 100+% on 2 targets + mana reduce.

Oh... Guess which class need to do that and is attacking boss for "3 hours". Also u were comparing yourself to your friend. And If I remember correctly u're using Premium Shop weapon instead of Q7 so you know nothing about OP DK's. And if you're triying INF3 with 37k HP as DK with that huge buff on ITEMS and GEMS then hf.

Since everyone will cry about their class being nerfed, because of how much hard work they put and now its weaker bla bla.
They should just buff other classes, buff monsters a bit and that's how you "secretly" nerf a class.
(That was said 4fun ofc.)

 

Actually I more recently moved on to the q4 weapon.
and have done so for a reason, my reason is I want to destroy the times etc set by q7 using accumulated damage.
Everyone uses q7 its like a fashion parade, only there is no individuality
Anyways I did not want to say this but I suggested all classes get minor self and group healing abilities
However I refrained from saying this because it would state the obvious and that is that the game is pay to win and we pay to buy healing potions which is crucial for the longevity of the game

 

This is the updated article

What do you mean MWS is not working? It is healing.

Dragon hide is not healing? It heals 30% of the damage with each hit ... as i recall.

I am using it ... it is melting mobs faster than Ice missile.

Well update it and make it "not wrong"

 

If you scroll up theres a post where a player suggests that devs should make impossible for DK to heal when making dmg ( so MWS doesnt heal dragon hide too etc etc ) Hypothetical situation i wanted to know what is the players alternative plan for fighting a boss for a 2h dk when they take away healing from dmg as he wants and leave only regen skill healing read what super solutions players suggested

 

Well ... there is nothing wrong with Dragon Hide and MWS healing ... the other healing is the problem. Of course in the arena.

 

Wont argue with you on that

 

I can use chain lightning sometimes if I'm with the fast speed setup but I use the magic missile more.
I have 68%ish Infernal 3 crit rate and 33k damage. I can easily swap a few runes into a speedy build I have all max speed runes
Anyway, I hope modes doesn't consider it as a spam but since you asked or was guessing my items or so... I posted my stats just yesterday another language forum but
I'll give you the link. Modes can remove it if they see it necessesary

http://pt.bigpoint.com/drasaonline/board/threads/meu-mago-nivel-55.62666/#post-681070


Traki: No offense for you or anyone volunteering for community. I apreciate it.