New Royal Safety Net Bow

nevermind

 

That bow is not even in top 15

Where did you check your facts?
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That bow is having exactly the same base stats as the other bows of that type:
These are T1 bows but are having same base stats as T1 Royal Safety Net Bow:

It is easy to get that is true ... but it is easy to get it because it is not worth it 6K gold but 1825.

This bow is Super UBER crap and anyone even thinking about investing in this bow and upgrade it to higher tier must be a fool XD
You would probably have to spend over 50K gold until you get a bow with decent stats.
Even if you get bow with max stats ... upgrading it to higher tier is a madness. Especially because this bow has got nothing to offer.

You must be trippin' XD

 

lol I goofed. I did the math wrong on the stat upgrading per tier.

the point was not base dmg. if u look after increase weapon dmg, it could be useful for noob who can't afford to craft up to that, plus I was talking about for noob so they couldn't get both pieces of herald set or something.

also, what do you think is then the top easiest bow for RA noobs? to get? maybe blood rune bow?

 

Probably the blood bow to start, yes. I think most classes use that weapon before picking up something in pw. However personally..on my sw i used a desert staff that i crafted until i got the dragan staff. I would prefer the dragan weapon for my ra but since we just had that event i wont get it before lvl 55 probably so id take a blood bow lol.

 

lol. I don't think dragan bow is good for much compared to high tier blood bow which is much easier to get these days as long as u build up the drakens. getting tier 5 or 6 dragan bow is harder than just using the t6 blood with two other t6 pieces of its set.

 

All classes has items called in dk terms "mace level damage"
The safetynet bow is one of them, yes the cooldown is not really that good but at least it has a "built in 6% speed rune"
I have taken the prem weapon unique enchantments up with the developers in the past.
All prem uniques needs that 30% weapon damage as a unique value back.
That would make the safety net bow and other premium items a viable option for all.

Many end game players use the blood rune bow, because when crafted with 300% idoti it has the absolute tightest minimum and max damage, example would be 29k to 31k instead of having 23k to 30k like witch seeker / mace level users, that tight damage and the speed with which one can deliver blows makes the blood rune truly an attractive option.
The downfall with the bloodrune weapon on all classes is that the 100% idoti is conditional as you have to keep your hp up.

As for the dune weapon 2 hand the crit is very attractive you have obviously not gotten one past tier 3, note that on this weapon you wont easily reach 20k damage but you will have good crit on infernal 3 if all your other items is crafted.

The dragan weapon is pretty much irrelevant, it is for noobs.

Back to prem weapon, if crafted it will give you mace level damage, if not crafted it can have up to 85% of the max of a perfectly crafted 3/1 weapon that is pretty good, a guild mate of mine uses it and he has 23k damage uncrafted.

 

I will look at the stats for the bows but i have the t6 blood and dragan weapons for my mage and the dragan beats the blood weapon atleast the ones i got. So that is why i say i would opt for the dragan if the event were sooner. Since its not..i wouldnt waste my time as i will probably just go straight to pw and get what i really want.

 

That would be uncrafted, is the base damage of the t6 blood rune golden?
I have an uncrafted dragan weapon that gives me 15k damage it still is nothing compared to a gold base blood rune crafted with 300% increased damage on this item.
Then regarding your damage, do you have 3 dragan pieces?
Is your torso crafted with 40% increased damage and your belt crafted with 40% increased damage?
Most players will then craft their helm appropriately with either crit or damage or both depending on what they need.
However to show you what blood rune is capable of at end game look at the image below.

 

Not really ... mace is 1H. What you are referring to is 2H mace.

Only noobs and players who don't have any other weapon are using that bow.
That bow is not good at all.

 

Which is why I never used it. Maybe as a last resort but i could probably craft something better.

 

We were talking 2h weapons right so obviously it would be 2h mace level damage.
Let me do you a dpi calc quick
for reference I used dsopage.bplaced.net
Now comparitive damage per second without any buffs.
The build with the blood rune weapon even though max is slightly lower, performs 37k damage per second better than a dk with q7
unbuffed and much more cd.
figure1

In figure 2 is the unbuffed q7 dk

You forget that the speed of the blood rune weapon is unmatched even if the Q7 weapon had 16% runes and the blood rune did too the blood rune delivers strikes a lot faster
The secret here is the amount of variables delivered.
See both uses the witch seeker set but the max damage from the said set only increases the damage you deliver by an average of 5%
That minute percentage only looks good on paper.
Yes the mage uses it too but the idoti on the blood rune is much tighter woven. (since it is 400%, 90% of the time)
And due to that the minimum damage on the blood rune is as you can see at least 3k more, delivered at a higher speed and even with less critical damage.
Now these players are both on greens but let us escalate it to reds, the minimum damage will be 1000s more as compared to the Q7 weapon unbuffed, and now even with the Q7 weapon under buff will it possible reach the minimum damage of the blood rune weapon.
Well I have mentioned the dk let me upload his stats ( he does not show his gear)

Also saying only noobs use blood rune would be quite an insult to all mechs whom prefer it for a reason.
Like I said before, the only drawback of the bloodrune is the conditional damage.

 

I hate to say this ... but you dude are lacking experience not just with the class you are playing ... but the rest of them too.
We are talking

so don't make comparison with other classes. Ranger is not a midget nor a dragonknight.
Your calculations are not relevant since rangers are not dragonknights ... rangers are working differently that dragonknights.
Question:
How many EA's would you fire with that bow if your concentration pool is 120?
how many PSs would you fire with that bow in same time ^?
The answer is :
1 or maximum 2 EA's and you can't fire any PS. Or you can fire 1 EA and 2/3-3/4 PSs.

That is a 2H bow with lesser attack speed and equal base damage with a longbow.
forget about that 100% increased damage on this item unique value when you can't make use of it.
Compared to other 2H hoaxbows ... Q7 will always win since you get almost endless buffed EA spam.
Blood Rune Hoaxbow is not a good choice for PvE and it is even more useless in PvP.
How many top rangers you know using that bow? I don't know any.

 

well... 2s with EA means 2 EA's without significant speed runes.

Let me explain the plight of the regular player to you:
They have a life

So, they, like me, do not have max speed runes. I'm still using radiant sapphs on my adornment and 8% runes on wep & adornment.
That means speed also has to come from other places, or, if it doesn't (I don't have a 40% speed craft glove, cause EDIT that), then q7 bow is not that OP.

Now, even if a normal player manages to get t6 q7 bow with good stats, how are they going to get a good enough IDOTI craft to make it work "spamming" 2 EA extra every 12 sec??? in 12 sec you can spam 6 ish EA without q7, using adrenaline and jump and normal conc regen + peridots.
I'm including peridots because any RA who doesn't have every peridot they could get missed out on the biggest way.

Math: (6 Conc/s * 12s)+ 120 initial + 120 adrenaline + 25 dive=337 Conc. 337/(62*(1.0-.16))=6.48. Its closer to 6 with less peridots.

So, 2/6 is 1/3 increase (33%) which is actually equivalent to 100% increased IDOTI for perfect 300% crafts.
But for non-perfect crafts, that 100% IDOTI is worth much much more (hyperbolic relationship). For example, using 3/4 gets you 225% IDOTI which makes 100/225 or 44% increase. Using 2/4 or 150% gets you 100/150 increase or 66% increase.

Honestly, trakilaki, I appreciate your passion, but, understand This thread is about "good enough", not "OP and takes years to make"


Also, flaws in my argument that are about to be pointed out:
-3 EA/2s gives it the edge
-if you use 5 point net skill, it increases power of q7

 

Casual players are always whining and using that excuse ... "we have a life".
Well good for them because they might be good at something else but not in gaming.
Every single thing in life takes sacrifice. If you can't spend more time in game ... well someone else sure will ... and they will be better than you. That is the way it is.
Not just in gaming but in real life too. If you are into sports you have to give everything on training otherwise you can't be even called a sportist . Top athletes are making sacrifices. They are not hanging around with friends, they can't eat whatever they want , they can't have things that many ordinary people can ... that is why they succeed in the area they are focused on.
If Einstein, Tesla, Newton and many more ... were hanging around with people , watching reality shows and having a life ... there wouldn't be any technology to make your "real life" comfortable so you would spending more time hanging around and having a life. Many of them never had time to create even family.
Hercule Poirot - a fictional character ... world's greatest detective. He was using his grey cells to solve murder cases. Eventually he has become the most famous detective that has ever lived. He has achieved all that at very high price ... at price of not having a family.
Dedication, is the most important thing in life.

And yes, we were talking endgame

which is simply not true.
Then from Blood Rune Bow ... the conversation shifted to other classes ... and useless calculations.
I will give you the simplest counter-argument regarding this

Casual players can't get anything. They can't get equipment , runes, draken, resources, they can't craft ... etc.
This is not a game for casual players who do 5 logins and daily bonus collection a week.
Without farming you can't get better ... you can't have crit and crit damage nor good defense. Without all that you can't even farm normal maps.
Plain damage calculation is not relevant. Dragonknights maybe don't have to use rune of relentlessness or other items for concentration/rage cost reduction ... but rangers must use it.
At the end you can't be good in farming if you don't have survivability, agility, faster movement, crit hit/damage, lesser time on skill's cooldowns ... etc. Casual players can't have that.
I can make you even a video so you can see how fast a longbow build can clear a map ... even if its overall damage is not even close to hoaxbow's. But that requires ... as you said ... long time to achieve.
You can even make a poll "how many endgame rangers are using Blood Rune Hoaxbows".

Thanks , but this thread was about Royal Safety Net bow ... and then shifted into bla bla bla ... bla bla bla
In a game where crafting is a main feature ... you can't take uncrafted items as relevant.

 

Yes you cannot take uncrafted items as relevant, true as this may be, the game is in the end all about damage, and the more damage you deal the higher you can farm and the more gold values you collect and thus it enables you in the game to achieve a point where you can move forward.

 

wrong.
you cant bag more gold value items on higher modes. you have better luck getting decent lines on painful and exrusiating mode first hand than inf123. because game is bugged on that side. but devs dont care about it.

that royal safety net bow is usless . better to use 1h and offhand quiver or shield. better than emilya items combined.

 

lol. nobody uses 1h on RA anymore, what world are you in. You one of those new fools who be shakin predators around? 1h became obsolete once people figured out that high base on 2h + IDOTI is a thing. That and the fact that people figured out how to get crits without having quiver.

And.... the gold line on a lower diff = less than even normal dropping range on higher so, yeah, they're basically gold in that sense.

 

I know at least 5 reliable rangers who are using 1H weapons for farming.
And they are pretty much farming faster than many hoaxbow users
It is not the question "what world we are living in" ... but ... "are you ready to enter this world unprepared as you are?"

 

ok, whats the point of using 1h? if you can get full crits without quiver, are you saying shield is worth using? lol