Alternative DK Builds

Hey there guys,
i'm new to DK' class. I just lvled one to 55, and now i'm trying to find a good and funny build. I know that the q7 one is The best, but i need know:
1) is q4 set viable?
2) wich kind of other set can i a put toghether q4?
3) I was thinking about blood moon 2h sword. It gives 100% more dmg on item permanently (q7 give 150% but only for 3 sec after earthquacke), and it ask just 1 item set, in this way i've all item slot free.
Let me know any tips, above all how maximize q4 set dmg, that i feel intresting playing style.
Thanks

 

With q4 you deal maybe 1/3 of the damage less and against the other ranged classes (wizards and archers) you have with q7 half the damage, against a dwarf - 3 times the damage!

You can understand for yourself that if they do not balance the classes and items there is no alternative to q7 and in any case you are penalized compared to the other classes and I keep myself low!

 

This.

Any alternative will be worse.

 

The OPness of Q7 comes from the speed bonus set on smash, not from the +150% damage; I'm using Q4 because I like more base average damage but is a fact that if you can use Q7 buff quite often (and with the CD cool down runes you can) the output damage of Q7 is higher than Q4.
But if you are starting to search for uniques and you have to made a build from scratch, you can try and choose the set that better fit your playstyle.
But in this game, if you want to do damage as DK, you need Q7.
EDIT: 2) offensive Dragan for sure; for the other items depend on what you are searching for.
3) blood moon weapon+dragan give you the best base damage, but with higher tier, and most of all with using set bonus from Q4 and Q7, this weapon have too lower damage respect the other two weapons.

 

The difference between sets q4 and q7 is greater than the r220 and the new infernal inf5-7!

The damage is excessive, you have to block and kill the mobs in a short time with q4 does not work the same applies to the bosses of the q!
The weapon of the blood moon with its malus is the worst thing for a melee class, in fact it works well with the wizard!

 

Thanks for your answers guys!

 

Actually that is totally invalid as we have 1 second cooldown on potions now.

As for how to max damage on q4 you need the easter set which will also allow you to reach 4.00 critical damage with a lot of ease.
To maximize q4 damage you also have to craft your cloak with 4x speed and go full plat attack speed gloves.

The easter set also works awesomely with the bloodrune weapon
what makes bloodrune weapon so omnipotent is that the description is wrong it gives 100% weapon damage which acts as a multiplier just like 3 dragan pieces.

And yes you will have much higher damage with bloodrune and also perfect speed
thing about bloodrune is though that you need blue royals in your weapon to have insane damage.
another way to increase the damage from bloodrune lies in crafting your gloves with 3-4 damage on this item and inserting jewels of coalescence into them. <- which is viable as the base attack speed of bloodrune is good.

no one is actually going to farm infernal 7 as it doesnt give you any good rewards, so no players is going to do events permanently on infernal 7.

I am mentioning this as an added answer, reason being you have full t10 and blue royal gems q7 might be fastest but heck you can even use prem weapon and slaughter inf4 and do good dmg on i5 if you have the crit.

Another viable build methodology would be using the ghost shield with 3x ghost gems especially when they release legendary gems, reason being that you can attain about 50k dmg on 1h and when the gwenfara buff kicks in go to about 65k dmg on 1h

You will have to craft gloves with 4x idoti so as to make up for the huge dmg gap.

But ya thats whats viable as a whole in the game atm.

However for you to attain the needed stats the faster you farm the faster your build grows which is why q7 is essential for all dks except me xD

 

Something like Q7> Q4> BM. Earthquake is very useful on the map and as Gbit said, Q7 has the speed advantage. Q4 is the best option after Q7.

1H is too weak, even with the best setting you are dealing max 1/2 damage compared to Q7, so double time to kill and double use of essences, this is bad.

 

I only partially share your thoughts, unfortunately the Dk is highly unbalanced on the q7 set and the changes made to the game make the other sets impractical! One of the reasons is the slowness of the class in the map farm and believe me that it is not fun in the group, from bosses with R220 they are full of armor and you have to do fast damage with maximum damage and move because even in inf3 you don't have enough defense, a another class problem!

The new set is good for Q4 but we lose the defense and go back to the first speech!

I have been using q4 for a long time and some skill changes have been good with the r214 on the q4 set but they are marginal and they worked before the r220 for various reasons and you have to see how the group game has been changed!

I agree that inf7 is not convenient, but those t10 still help at the moment, because there are problems that are called bad damage and bad defense of this class!

In all honesty I finished developing the q4 set, it should have helped you play better in a group and have more defense!

Well, group play with Dk skills is rubbish! Boss resistances have increased and Dk skills are not working well, boss damage is too much in a melee class!

Consequently you feel bad in a group and alone, already with q7 and with q4 it is simply worse!

Obviously I like to play with the set of q4 and the game style I prefer, but at the moment I am forced to give up it has too many problems!

 

problem with q4 is that is has no cooldown reduction.
that includes on map and at the boss, yes you can use ra and then do a bws but whenever you do bws just like with q7 whenever you do gb you lose time, yes you make it up with your smash speed on q7 and yes if you have a mec in group you can use q7 buff more often.
You might think me a fool for even chasing this.
but at the moment I am pushing for 2x zeal rings and premium weapon
thing is prem wep is working because, it stuns mobs on maps, pity that it doesnt stun the boss all the time, considering that slow works on bosses, stun should perma work on them too.
And yes I am pursuing this build in spite of what people may say.
always remember that because we get no bleed on rage attack we also get no cooldown on q4 so q4 due to its nature will always remain a little behind the other weapon including bloodrune.
Let me explain, if youre not using rageful swing, and if youre not using bloody wild swing, then q4 just is not worth it, and I am saying this as a person that has played with q4 for 3 years, q4 is not viable.
prem wep and bloodrune weapon is more viable than q4 at the moment.

 

As I said in another thread the Q4 set bonus on smash doesn't work with elemental essences and this make Q4 even worse than BM weapon (with new essences).

 

Well as stated on the essences itself it only works % wise on the base of a skill
So if smash is at base 200% before the talent tree increases then the essence will work on that % of the base of that specific skill.

 

Exactly, while Q7 set bonus and blood rune weapon unique bonus increase the base damage and are effective with elemental essences.

 

• only shield and belt) without scrolls and bottles

 

We can't see the image... Can you post it again please?

EDIT : now I can see... I'm really impressed!
If I can ask, which build do you use?
Thanks in advance for eventually answers

 

I would like to see your gear xD

idk what he uses yet but ig 3x spring parts dragan gloves helmet and boots
not sure if he opted witch seeker or dragan def
either way i am impressed too

 

for inf3/4 its perfect, but can u handle inf6/7 ? i doubt it

 

You forgot your favorite item
Belt of Zeal

 

xD he already mentioned he has a belt buff thus I believed that to be a given

The crit stipulates he can, as for damage though maybe a little lacking, which once again proves we need a unification between 1h and 2h idoti lines
However bear in mind most players cannot solo inf 6-7 easily in anyways but I am certain elemental essences will boost this a lot

 

Just a little info



This is my 2h build max crit, it is playable but it is crazy low % - isn't it?!

With elemental it would be a few k less with red than this one with white regular.

Elemental ess is useful there but maybe not needed for mobs, more for bosses ... Problem with high infernals (6&7) solo is that most ppl would have problems passing/killing that mob because of their numbers and boosts up to hell (crit/dmg)!

When I saw this post (not yours, 1h build ), I remember I could try those 3 jewels and gwenfara's axe so I filled my pvp shield and use my t8 axe (I have no intention spending draken cores & augments with 60 lvl coming).

Don't pay attention on res & blocks - look @ dmg with t8 axe & my pve gear for up to inf 4 build, and NO belt buff hehe