Bosses with shields?? Why?

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  1. cigarbennett

    cigarbennett Board Analyst

    Well I watched like 45 min of your twitch thing today, 45 min all I can stomach of that. I guess your new expansion the bosses will have shields.

    WHY?

    Players hate that entire concept. The sentinels or guardians what ever you call them in the secret lairs have shields and the players hate it. They hate the idea so much in fact, that when they get a secret lair with guardians they just leave and waste their secret lair pass.

    Again why? Why does BP continue to implement things into the game that players hate and despise.
     
  2. raider

    raider Forum Pro

    They must be thinking that farming hundreds of times to get something worthy once or twice ain't painful enough.
     
  3. silverseas

    silverseas Count Count

    I went and watched that part of the stream and um... I think the BP team needs to change how they marketed that part. Because what Fidelis was saying was that they would be re-working the bosses so there was phases and other aspects of the game would also be re-worked accordingly. That is to say, boss fights are getting reworked. Shields was just the tip of the iceberg. Personally, I'd wait to see it hit the TS or LS before I jump to conclusions.

    But yeah, they really shouldn't have marketed it as "adding a shield to the bosses" because that's a great way to get backlash and negative reception before people see the full picture.
     
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  4. Nostalgiac

    Nostalgiac Advanced

    I'm all for increasing difficulty of the bosses (NOT by blind stat increase, but by actual abilities and tactics required to bring him down), if, in the same vein, they dramatically increase drop rate of cores/uniques.

    So, if they are reworking boss fights from current deal-as-much-damage-as-you-can, and presumably make them more interesting and perhaps even impossible to "farm", and we get stuck with the current garbage droprates (I fear this will be the case), we are looking at exponential increase in time required to obtain and improve basic gear... at least core drops should get boosted.

    I hope to be proven wrong. In principle, a game where defeating a boss takes 15 minutes and rewards are substantial, is much more fun than a game where fight takes 1 minute but you get 1% droprates and need 100 runs to get enough cores for one item.
     
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  5. raider

    raider Forum Pro

    This, is what I want, and call "a rewarding the effort game" other than this brain-dead "farming" where u basically farm nothing of much value spending hours after hours (too bad if you aint got hours per day!) unless you are extremely lucky.
     
  6. cigarbennett

    cigarbennett Board Analyst

    Agree need to wait and see, maybe BP will do the right thing. But after listening to that guy on twitch for 30 min I doubt it. He did say they would increase the drop rate to balance how hard it will be. But we have heard that lie before wasn't that long ago they said same thing about r220. Drop rates got worse not better. They are going to make the bosses so hard with this shield nonsense no one will even bother with them. It is going to be like seven years ago. When we all just ran through ocean to HOD.. Cleared HOD and never even killed mortis.
     
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  7. EmilyRose

    EmilyRose Forum Duke

    ◾The spawn animations for all bosses on difficulty Painful and above have been removed: R220
    They removed bosses' animations to add them the shields in CE.
    very nice feature ...the dimostration how they listen their players ;)

    true..I remember...... ;)
     
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  8. couda22

    couda22 Forum Commissioner

    Maximum HP value of current Nebula engine is limited to approximately 2.1G (32bit signed integer).
    They invented shield mechanics to overcome this limitation.
    According to the information given by Fidelis in the yesterday's live stream destroyed/killed shield will be restored after certain amount of time (monster dependent).
     
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  9. gbit

    gbit Forum General

    He said that it was possible the bosses will restore shield, not that is sure... They said that bosses will have new phases with new mechanics, but it seems to me (they don't say this) that new mechanics will be random and different for every boss and strong monster, but this is only my interpretation of their speech...
     
  10. couda22

    couda22 Forum Commissioner

    46:08- "and after certain amount of time, that differs from boss to boss obviously and also from the difficulties, the shield will be restored".
    Of course the mechanics is still "in progress" so it can change but I would bet that the shield restoration will make it to the production (live version).
     
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  11. raider

    raider Forum Pro

    Another side-effect of insane power-creep?!

    Guess we have to pay for their mistakes again..
     
  12. gbit

    gbit Forum General

    OK you are right then, I remember in another way... And yes, I don't came to see your bet :)
     
  13. cigarbennett

    cigarbennett Board Analyst

    Ok couda if what you say is true. And this is a capacity issue, programing issue, data speed issue, how ever you want to word it. Then that guy on twitch should have just said that. Instead of lying to us and trying sell this shield thing as the next best thing in video games.

    We all know they will not increase the drop rate to make any significant difference.
    Took me over a year to get a lvl 40 predator we have been down that road before of promised increase drop rate. This whole idea of destroying the bosses shield over and over. Will just make bosses more of a grind, and more time consuming.
     
  14. couda22

    couda22 Forum Commissioner

    According to the last live stream this shield thing is not the only adjustment to the boss mechanics. I believe that the final review of the boss fight changes should be done after it is deployed to live server. It could be an interesting change if configured reasonably.
     
  15. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Count Count

    Do you not understand that the DEVs do _NOT_ understand sarcasm?

    Read what you wrote without considering there is any sarcasm in it and you'll understand you pretty much stated the opposite of what you intended to say. :( The DEVs will take what you said as praise that they are doing the right thing, not the wrong thing as you intended to suggest. :(
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2020
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  16. raider

    raider Forum Pro

    That's assuming; Devs are reading this forum, and/or management caring about our feedback.

    Mods should understand the Sarcasm first..
    NOT

    fixed.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2020
  17. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Exceptional Talent

    If u think that they are reading forum...u are wrong
    Even CE says that forum is only for players to let them cry.
    Bp listen only few kids from DC when this ppl dont have any good ideas.
    Every single change what was starter on DC wasnt good
     
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  18. EmilyRose

    EmilyRose Forum Duke

    I think the developers read the forum out of curiosity, but they do what they want.
    I think they understand sarcastic words because they belong at the same our world ... they don't live in an other dimension.
    I don't worry if they read me or understand my sarcasm
    I write for myself and for who can get something of new from my words.