2 Handed Weapons (showcase and talk - DK only)

Cool. Thanks! I'd be happy with any 2/2 or 3/1 with good numbers I can get, be it weapon or shield. Now, I did get a +83 damage line on a 2H, check the SW's showcase thread; so apparently, we can break 80.

 

Yea, I did a quick look through this thread for the highest number I could find and I found an 84 at LVL 45. But between random luck and the rarity of numbers over 80, it is still a safe mathematical assumption.

EDIT: Found a +88
Theses are still rare enough that I'm not going to go back and redo all the numbers. Lets just say that if you get 3x %damage > 75% and 1x +damage > 80 that you have a sword that will beat almost anything and you don't need stupid little charts like mine.


P.S.
Hammers and swords will be coming later, but without the analysis unless something is really shocking about the results.

 

Ok, trying to wrap my head around your chart, and your "god" like are in the 140% range, yet you say the max is 80 per line. Are you seeing the majority in the 140% increase range with 3 lines, or is it possible to get a lot more?

 

Are you talking about the shaded in boxes in the charts?

I'm pretty sure Baragain's 140% box in the charts is 2 lines of ~70% weapon enhanced damage and 2 lines of ~+70 damage., since it is highly unlikely you will get perfect stats.

 

Yes. He mentions 80% increase would be max, although not likely I know, but then in the shaded area, the total range is in the 100-140% increase in his "god like" summary.

I simply am trying to understand how the chart is working all these numbers so I can wrap my brain around it.

From what I've read, the ultimate goal is to get 3X increase and 1 dmg, however if the max is 80% increase per line, why would the "god like" fall so low in overall total percentage?

 

He is right. In addition to the shaded box in the first set of pictures (representing a god like sword with high 2x/2x lines), I have the shaded boxes in the third, fourth, and fifth that represents comparison areas. Also, you see multiple boxes where there are darker lines. Those lines break the chart down into sections based on the number of stats to get in that box. Here is an example with what I'm talking about overlaid.

 

Woow baragain.. you worked like a demon... Thanks a lot!!

 

IDK how did you concluse that warlord set is best for 2hnd but reality shows difrent...

 

He said "arguably the best choice for the highest possible damage build".

 

I like and use the ess set (looking for mortis mask), but the comparison isn't that good. Ideally, you wouldn't use ess boots, gloves and armor with warlord set. You should use a high armor chestpieces, gloves with attack speed, and boots with travel speed. Alternatively, same high armor chestpiece and a glyphed up Keens set.

 

It is jus show off for max dmg i am actualy using keen...with witch chaser...
don't like warlord, no crit no att speed if i want no crit no att speed i would use mortis mask and ess set
And these stats are without some resist and hp gems

Edit

And one more thing that is why i never posted statst on forum, i don't like advices .
"You should", "have to" and lines like that are dancing on my nerves
I KNOW what i should and what i would but can't do that in sec...
f2p never premium never ander...

 

What trakilaki said. Additionally, I was talking with respect to the gear's effect towards multiplying the stats of the sword. The Ess set does indeed often yield higher damage, but that is only due to the damage on each piece (and in reality, if you had an Ess set with crap stats, than the warlord set would win because it doesn't rely on random). And then you further complicate things by adding in the Helmet of Death, a piece of gear that less than 1% of end game players have. If we are talking %s, the Warlord set's 30% > Red Ess set's 15%. Additionally, if you are arguing over my choice of 30% vs 15%, then you missed the point of that post all together. The point is with respect to what kind of sword is ideal, not what kind of set to use it with. The 30% simply exaggerates the effect more, but the conclusion is the same if you use the 15% of the Ess set.

I guess that was the argument that I was talking about when I said "arguably."

 

Personally I appreciate the time and effort put in to show what's possible with swords (and eventually hammers/axes).

All the other complimentary gear relies on the dmg produced by the weapon and it's nice to see that possibility in a chart.

 

Project is great but now we should discuss it

_Baragain_ warlord set is giving 30% on 2HND WEAPON while karabossa and ess are giving bonus on overall dmg

If i am wrong correct me

 

You are right.
Tested with the Ess set, and removing 100 damage drops total damage down by 145 (100*1.45 from 30% AK and 15% Ess set).
Removing the same 100 damage when wearing the Warlord set results in a drop of 130.

In the end, it comes down to a simple question when considering Ess vs Warlord. Is the damage you gain from 15% more on all sources of damage greater than the 15% you'd lose from your 2H sword? If you have a nice enough 2H sword, I think that it might be in favor of the Warlord set. On the other hand, when you consider defense, Warlord blows the Ess set out of the water and allows for more flexability as it allows you your pick of torso/gloves/boots.

And I will not even try to argue with the fact that the Witch Chaser set is the best DPS set out there for all the classes, but at the expense of defense.

 

My favorite build is mortis mask and ess set becaus of stedy dmg, not like wh big gap, but my claw lack crit (i dream for 4* crit)... i used to carry leg belt with 397 crit and 18% crit dmg but still lacking crit...
With wh+keen i have good hp and armor so that is my build up for now.
Warlord only for arena but even then i go keen+leg torso+cape and paldruns warlord+mortis mask+dragonache set...
Well i never like it very much, but hey that is me...

 

I love my Warlord set so much that I have 4 tier two pieces of each so that the moment I hit LVL 50, I can craft them and be one of the first people on the server with a LVL 50 Warlord set... should be a big help in post-LVL 50 PvP while people are all struggling to replace their tweaked gears with new legendaries or Full Moon/WH and/or trying to glyph them to the point that they are once again competitive.

I'm sure that you are probably looking forward to the Yellow Essence set then. In my opinion, it might actually have enough % damage (20% as opposed to 15%) that it might be more usable for someone like me. Also, with the 3 piece bonus of 10% armor, the torso/gloves/boots with the Warlord set might be a rather nice replacement for Keens. If anything, I'd have too much armor and not enough HP.

 

I was not talking about what you should use in the game, but rather what you should use to make the comparison for your argument. Comparing warlord set to essence set by doing warlord + ess torso, glove, and boots versus mortis helmet + essence set isnt a fair comparison. You've picked one of the single best and rarest DK helmets in the game for the essence armor (I know, I've been trying to get the mortis helmet for a while now to go with my essence armor that originally dropped with +113 of the possible +124 could have been gotten at level 45), but saddled the warlord with 3 essence pieces when you could use legendaries that are better., such as decent 1x or 2x speed gloves (or more) with quality armor and hp lines.... gloves you wouldn't be able to use with the essence set because it comes with its own

 

@Novadude dude i know but i wanna show biggest (my) dmg with warlord and wh set.
I used wh with ess boots and gloves and leg belt on 3 bosses (sigri,gorga,herald) but i would never use it for farm (except mortis solo) because i am too weak

@_Baragain_ well i thought about that too but then i was told that if you craft 3*lvl 35 and 1*lvl 45 you'll get lvl 39...so i melt it
But like i said, i'm playing alot i like to play for now always looking for something (like deep sea claw sword for achivment while other farm)

O, and yellow essence set.. idk we'll see it. I think that i will still stay with wh+keen cuz i am lackig of CHR

 

According to the Wiki, this one also has a helmet. Thing is, it has resistance instead of damage, though the other pieces have the same type of enchantments as the other ones. Higher damage % increase from the bonus, higher possible base stats and a 2nd bonus of 10% armor. Pretty swell. Trouble is, you get one portal from the event bar... then you can do more by Jullov quests, and the cost of one is 3000. If the drop rate for the torso is as bad as we've been used to and the entrances are so hard to get, plus who knows how the helmet will drop... then this will be rare and hard to get.