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  1. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    before we start aother useless battle, I've just made it clear that the BR weapon has some specific values, maybe its not the best weapon (yet), maybe it's not the best weapon overall but has some interesting aspects.
     
  2. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Is this accurate?) I was under impression q4 does work on bosses. But I'm newbie, so not sure.

    Any q4 tank nearby?) How do you fight bosses solo. The question is rage attack vs rageful swing? Do you swing to get benefit of q4 set extra dmg, or do you attack to reset cooldowns? Or both?
     
  3. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    As far as I know, all the bosses bleed. I've used Charge with the cool down removal against bleeding opponents and it always works. I use bleed/charge as a part of my movement strategy. Even in the unlikely event that the bleed isn't actually doing damage, the debuff is applied to allow for the effects dependent on the bleed to work.

    You could use rage attack for cool down and Bloody Wild Swing for your bleed. Or you could flip-flop Rage Attack and Rage Swing... both would work.
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2018
  4. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    I was looking for a little bit more sophisticated answer) I know I can flip, or use one or the other. I'm curious what strategies do other DKs employ, those who could be called Lord of Q4 set).

    Flip isn't that easy though. Cooldown and bleeding are both 5 points effects. Not sure I can employ that, just not enough points).
     
  5. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Which is why my recommendation (from theory crafting, still looking for a good version of the weapon), is cool down and BWS for the bleed.
     
  6. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Not sure I follow.
     
  7. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    You need bleed.
    There are two ways to get bleed.
    You can use Rage Swing or Bloody Wild Swing.

    If five points for the bleed from Rage Swing is too much, get your bleed from BWS while still using Rage Attack for cool down reduction.
     
  8. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Ah, okay. Didn't get you are talking about BWS (even though you clearly wrote it). Thought you meant rage swing so got confused.
     
  9. bLaind

    bLaind Forum Baron

    Of course it works on bosses. The bleeding effect works and deals damage but debuffs like the 20% less dmg from RS and the slowing from BWS don't work on them since they're immune.:rolleyes:

    You can use rage attack for reducing cooldowns and BWS for the bleed, plus, you don't even have to use any skill points on BWS. ;)

    BTW, you should stop calling 2H DKs "tanks". As a 2h DK, I find it a little offensive. :rolleyes:
    I mean... tanks can't use the Q4 set... duh... :p
     
  10. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    You forgot the 50% attack speed enhancement on Q7 set. Together with the base damage improvement and the attack speed gives the edge to the Q7 set than the Bear's set.
     
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  11. sebastian_fl

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    I didn't try q7 yet, but I did try q4. It is a nice mob clearing set but it's bad for bosses. It gives no benefit besides base crit on belt and weapon as it is hard to keep the boss bleeding, and also healing with wild swing, and also smashing and also resetting cooldowns with attack. Perhaps, it requires much better defensive stats so you don't need to be constantly focused on healing. But guess it's better for someone much more experienced with the set to comment. Q7 does look more promising as it doesn't require bleed, so you can just do what you always do anyway - attack, smash and swing to heal.

    My low crit is denying me to use q7 right now, as I lose crit with the weapon and also need to use uncrafted dragan helmet as oppose to my 3/4 T1 legendary with 40% increased crit. Can't wait to craft 4/4 adronment and transfer it into black spider, so I can relax on crit a little.
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2018
  12. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    That is why i have considered that bosses are immune to bleed because i always see that immune text so was it my mistake.
     
  13. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    Actually my formula for damage is, damage = all
    No buffs boosted effects blah blah blah.
    Now know I dont have a mec mentality, but mecs do have the most damage and speed, so applying this with a twist, can give great results.
    One formula that looks interesting to me is this:
    Q9 set = 15% more chr and 10% attack speed
    Dragan 3 pieces gloves, helm and ring. gives total of 34% weapon damage.
    Witch seeker 3 pieces torso shoulders and belt. 11% speed and 10 - 15% from shoulders and 22% max increase.
    Magotina adornment with kera cloak 7% from cloak and 10% set bonus
    And mortis ring lets just count the 10% speed from it for now
    That gives you a 31% attack speed boost total
    Critical hitrate bonus 32% (cloak enchantment plus 2 pieces bonus, amulet and the boots
    If both rings and amulet is crafted with cd = 180 - 215% cd boost.
    This allows you to craft your helm 2/2 and still get away with more damage too, iow an additional 20%
    That will push your damage increase to 110 - 115%.
    This allows you to choose whatever weapon you prefer be it Q4 Q7, prem wep or the blood rune sword.
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2018
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