Agathon server bad community

65% of the players who are able to help another player with is not a friend or guild member choose not to help a follow stranger

why is it that strong players play so selfishly

id say 50% of those those were helped by another player in the pass to help them get strong /quests / events

im not strong but i try to help some players who im able to help out

 

I'm not on that particular server, but your comment is not unique to Agathon nor this particular game. However, there are many good legitimate reasons why the strong players simply choose not help everyone who needs it. Now I'm not saying that you fall into any of these possibilities, but it is some of the reasons why weaker players get ignored.

1. Strong players have different goals than you do. Myself for example, I run a limited number of maps hoping that the rng gods smile upon me and drop that piece of gear I have been wanting.

2. Due to the huge twinking issue (players who don't want to level up) most of us stronger players are constantly asked to carry someone through a map. This is beyond annoying.

3. Some weaker players simply won't spend their time building their characters properly and constantly ask stronger players to carry them through a map. None of us started off strong, we had to build our characters that way.

4. Some weaker players simply stand in a town and beg for help instead of running lower maps to build their characters. If they spent half as much time playing as they did asking for help, they wouldn't need the help.

5. Some weaker players do not ask nicely for help. They act as if stronger players are there to assist them. All of us still want to improve our characters, so spending my time on maps where I stand a chance to improve is more important to me. That said, if someone occasionally asks for help for a specific quest, more than likely I will help if I have the time.

6. Some stronger players simply do more pvp than anything else. That is their choice, having weaker players beg them over and over again to run some lower map is annoying.

7. Most important of all. Nothing gets you put on the ignore list faster than bugging players all the time. Ask for help with a specific reason (ie: quest, boss, etc) and do not get all butt hurt if they say no. Simply thank them and ask someone else. If you cannot find someone, go run a lower map and ask again the next day. Maybe read the guild section of the forum and see who might be looking for new members. Maybe go start a thread in the appropriate section and ask for help.

Simply complaining that people are selfish will make others believe that you are the one being selfish. First thing you need to realize is that isn't all about you, we all have our own reasons for playing. Respect others and you'll earn respect. It's like the old saying, if you want a friend, first be a friend.

Edit to add some more reasons:

8. Then as a stronger player gets asked to help, they wonder is this player asking because they have tried and are close to being able to do it on their own, or do they simply want to stand and watch me so they can collect the rewards?

9. Stronger players also have to concern themselves with the fact that DSO punishes groups. Depending on certain factors, it can require more ess and maybe health pots to "help" someone.

10. Stronger players also have to wonder if the weaker player knows how to help in a group setting or are they hindering the progress by not knowing when to use their skills.

11. Stronger players also have to wonder if they are going to be able to simply run through the map killing everything in sight or if they are going to have to continually run back to where the weaker player has died to revive them.

12. Lastly, stronger players might take a minute to think about how much time they are going to spend "helping". As I said earlier, we all want to work on our own characters and most of us have limited time to play this game. If a weaker player needs specific help with 1 quest or 1 boss, they will probably get help if they ask nicely. If they want a stronger player to carry them through an event or multiple boss runs for gops, the odds are against them.

Now like many other stronger players, I have certainly been helped along the way.

However, the times that I did ask for help only came after I tried to complete the task/quest/event on my own. During those times, I certainly did everything I could to contribute to the group. I made darn sure that I had enough ander to revive myself. I made sure that I had the necessary ess (usually higher than others) so that I could carry my own weight and not rely on the others to save me over and over.

When someone told me that they were busy or couldn't help, I thanked them for the their time and didn't bother them again, unless they told me to ask at a later time/date. As a result, there are many players who welcome me into their groups today.

 

Very well said. I myself have helped plenty of players over the years mainly only the english speakers as They seem to be More mannered.

Rule #2, Oh yes that is very annoying. What would get me pretty upset would be the fact that they dont get off their mount the whole map just watching you fight and collecting the loot. Like c'mon you can atleast stun.
I do still help twinks but strictly Guild members alt's Or Friends of mine. Zero random twinks english or not.
I guess you can say i got pretty fed up over the years.

The weaker players or new commers to drakensang I stress often , Please attempt yourself and if you can NOT complete what ever quest or boss you need PM me and i will help you. The reason for this is not only so I dont be used over and over as a slave so to say, But to let them learn on their own how we all did on how to go into combatt , the workings of dso , farming ect.

From time to time i will see some low levels in Kingshill that speak english asking for help or asking simple questions in local chat. I will go ahead and reply to their questions or give them quest help if needed.

Ive been there years ago when i 1st started the game and I know how that was...Nightmare i didnt even know what anderment was for and at the time your given 2000anderment just for starting the game.. How long it last me? oh maybe 30mins i wasted it all on 120anderment revives (Facepalm)

If your aiming to be a low level Twink. I would suggest you make some friends or join a twink guild for fast help with farming. But be warned : Like stated in the post before players are here to play and are limited on time so sometimes even they will not be at your aid. Getting realm frags can be a real task for some. You may also Check for groups and see their locations and just spam group requests as many do.

I also want to add like already stated Please Thank the player for the group before leaving. Remember they dont have to help you.

 

Nothing against new or weak players, but I don't want to be bothered beyond a group of friends in the game. We only run events together or fatal bosses. Other than that I solo farm. It's fast and I don't have to drag others along with me. Every once in a while I'll check out a group of noobs and farm a PW with them(for them), but for the most part I am reserved.

 

I don't discriminate. I ignore everyone.

 

You know what, you're right. I freely admit I haven't helped some small toons out in the past because I didn't want to have to protect them. I makes things much harder, but in the future I will try to remember what you said. Would you want to work on any quests together? If yes, I'll tell you my toon name.

 

THE most selfish person to ever post on the forums. He automatically went on my ignore list.

 

Thank you, I really am greatful that you have ignored me, now I will have one less noob requisting assistance.

 

Ok people, keep it civil. There's no need to be snide with each other. You are all entitled to your opinion.

 

I was talking about the original poster.

 

I routinely help people with quests or answer questions in urban areas but there are some that are just overly pushy to the point of being demanding. These can be complete strangers or even worse members of the guild you belong to which makes for some interesting conversations. I help where and when I can and direct almost everyone to this very forums page to use as a resource due to the amount of knowledge shared here.

There is nothing like being in a guild group in HOD when 1 or 2 of them stops to pick up loot while you are still engaged by a mob. I have actually asked a Ranger in this case if she had run out of arrows as she had not fired one in the last minute or so. Almost as bad is the chatty type who prefers to spew out conversations while others are fighting which leads to the old "Less talk and more fighting please" I no longer help those individuals or others like them.

If you have a Twink toon you're on your own as I'm not prepared to use my resources (ess/pots etc.) just so you can get some good melts/gear while riding your mount. I will the odd time help a Twink in the guild but only for a run or two so don't think that I'm completing the event progress bar for you. Oh yeah don't ask me to farm realm frags either...

You want to be a Twink get a secondary account and level up an XP blocker for yourself...

 

I agree , Players that are even of level that do not put effort in groups but yet go right for the loot while a battle is still going on, Or players that Hardly help will be kicked pretty fast from my group. Makes you wonder sometimes on how some of these types of players made it to level 50 lol.

The great thing about My guild is .... Im Boss hehe so If i notice a player not putting effort in a group (with out a legit reason) I will let you know to please help more ect. If the problem still happens i remove them from guild without warning. I also Keep my guild at level 40-50 only to stop twinks from joining. For other reasons as well such as members are able to get groups their level much faster.

I play on agathon as well , I run the clan CovertOps. We are a very friendly extremely active english speaking guild. I have a few strict rules that if not followed will lead you to a Kick from the guild or depending on how i feel Warning. Rules are simple: Have fun!, Respect others, Help others (if you can) Save drama for your mama!
Active rule: If your not going to be online for more then 1 week Please give myself or an officer a heads up because, you will be removed if not.
(The guild info is for the org. poster If of level 40-50 we do have 1 spot open)

Im enjoying the comments , Very interesting to see how other players feel about helping weaker players.

Happy slayings!

 

hi all. i am wrasp. this is the 1st time i post on forums. i play on all servers and all servers have the same issue.
i have been playing this wonderful game since day 1 i love it. i also mostly agree with what everyone is saying. i don't help twinks or anyone to low a lvl ether. i do not belong in any guilds or have anyone on my friends lists .mostly because the guilds i have joined were not active enough and i seen no real benefit from it. so i left them so another could join and now im on most everyone's ignore list. that's ok though.

the point i am making is i have 4x lvl 50's on all servers and most all are done by soloing. even though they are weak i did it.
so if i could do it anyone can it just takes time is all.

thanks all. see you in game. oh wait you cant cause im on ignore lololol....

 

Nicely said ... i will have to add one more thing.
One of the reasons is BP itself ... since they are protecting the new comers on vet's expense ... the vet's doesn't even care and don't want to help the new comers.
Well BP should have thought about this before taking actions against the vets.

 

There's also the ones who ask for help, and when you try to help, they pull a lot of very basic mistakes. The classic one is "run around, lure everything, then die and leave everything for someone else to clean up." There's also "not following instructions," or perhaps worse yet, "not even waiting for instructions."

 

thank u all for ur comments i get it what u are saying most of u im not one of those players who stress on another player to seek help for every little things if i ask for some help its because i really need it unless i wouldnt ask

i also help some players who i can help with my little character she isnt strong but she can manage some maps

but being said many time i need a little help my self and i cant get it and that make me frustrated and the reason making for this post

im sorry if it offend some of u guys but its also good to know what u are thinking so next time i wont feel so bad getting rejected over and over. im not the type of person to seek help from the same player more than 1-2 times because it feels like im bother them if i ask 3 or more times
i ask because i have tryed on my own and with random groups and i fail or we fail i dont have a premium using my anders to res anyone im in group with and i dont sit and stay dead for them to revive me i use my 40 or 120 anders to get myself up
but boss fights like khaly cant be solo or run with just any random groups there is where i would ask for a little assistance in main chat or i would use group search to ask for a little beenand i have been trying at it for 2 months and only 1 kill i have made where a DK helped me but i didnt want to bother him again for the same thing
some times u see players running countless map runs those these PW maps, not say i have to help me or any one else its ur time and ur resource

here is some ways i help players say for instance blackborg day map i would farm it over and over to get wood then when the event starts i would look for a group do it sometimes i get twinks in my group i would go in and clear the map solo then cal them in at the end to get the buff and kill the boss i can kill it on my own but i rather have some other players with me who can get something from it rather than i selfishly kill it on my own ( not sure if that make any sense to u readers)

my grammar s very bad reason is because i went went to school very well back in my days so dont judge me on grammar

i will continue to help who i can and if i dont get any help in return i will try not to feel upset about it

 

I'm not a strong player, nor a particularly weak one either. In my opinion the best thing to do is to join a friendly guild. By friendly I mean the ones that are willing to help weaker members, be it events or PWs. Personally I ignore those who want gappers and PVPers (I played Defeat the Undefeatables with some PVPers and they were really impatient, they don't ask whether you're ready or not before summoning the bosses). Normally I'm the one who asks for help, and my guild members are pretty willing to help out. So maybe just find a good guild and ignore others (for the reasons others above me have explained).