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  1. Mesala

    Mesala Advanced

    Trakilaki, what about critical damage lines? Have you seen one on side items like rings, amulets or belts?
  2. Gevilson

    Gevilson Active Author



    There are going to be 3 possibilities:
    Shortbow + quiver
    Longbow + quiver
    Siege bow /2h bow without offhand
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  4. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    You shouldn't be able to easily reach high crit with a shield anyway, so that test is pointless. The purpose of a shield is that you are sacrificing offense for defense. Also, that weapon he is using has no crit on it, so a weapon with a gold crit line would be even better off.

    Trakilaki may like to argue, but you are missing one key detail: Trakilaki does more testing in a day than most people on the forums will do in a week or even a month. There is no one better qualified to offer an opinion on the new content.

    From my perspective, the legacy items will be less useful than the new items at reaching 80% because of their insane glyph costs and the fact that they don't have the new types of stats, and they don't have base stats that include crit. By my estimation, upgrading a legacy item from 55 to 60 will only improve your Crit values about 24%-26% (if they follow current upgrade trends), but the crit needed to reach 80% will increase by about 50%-70%.

    I think that it is you who doesn't understand the new mechanics coming up, and before you try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about, look through my posts. Trakilaki may be the best qualified to talk about the subjective feel of the new content, but there are only two or three people even qualified to talk game math and mechanics with me (like @Armando and a few others).
  5. Yogo

    Yogo Forum Great Master

    Great news! Yes- I've had it confirmed few hours ago too- brilliant stuff. I would wish for each and every class to have the same 3 build options.The more choices the better !
    BTW. It'll probably sound silly and naive but...I sincerely hope that 'Longbow + quiver' also allowes 'Longbow + Shield' option?
  6. Mesala

    Mesala Advanced

    Now click on upgrade and see if the critical line changes when you upgrade it :D
  7. Gevilson

    Gevilson Active Author

    Yup, they increase. It's not shown on the upgrade window, though.
  8. Vale17

    Vale17 Forum Apprentice

    I see this thread has completly mutated into "Ask Trakilaki in English" :D, and while I greatly appreciate the immense job he is doing, I have got a question to official DSO staff:

    What is going to happen with sapphires?

    From what I see on TS and read, they stay in inventories, but no longer can be dropped or bought, nor combined. That means we are going to be stuck with what we have - including lower gems bought (sometimes with real money) and not yet combined into higher tiers. We should at last be informed if we should combine them now, so they can be of any use after update!

    Also, selling saphires even now, WITHOUT any offcial info, if the lower ones are going to get obsolete by the day after tomorrow, borders on pure scamming. Did I say "borders"? In fact, the border has long been crossed...
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  9. Dylannn

    Dylannn Board Analyst

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  10. Zed

    Zed Forum Pro

    you answered your own question m8

    For all of you : I, too, used to think"I should combine all my sapphires in order to get more room for onyxes since I may not be able to combine them in the future". But I now think having the maximum attack speed possible with the sapphires that are in your possession now, even if it means filling all 5 slots, is far wiser, since the only way to get speed on your items (excluding uniques) after r185 will be legacy sapphires, celerity runes, gloves and your weapon, while crit can be found on all of the left side items, offhand items and helmet.

    TL;DR you should keep as much speed as possible since it will be very difficult to obtain in the future as opposed to crit

    (Precise DPS calculations are hard to achieve atm but I'd appreciate @_Baragain_ to try to figure this out ^^)
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  11. Vale17

    Vale17 Forum Apprentice

    From the info I just got from a mod on another language forum, we will be able to combine sapphires in the future, just will get no new from drop / shop / cube / whatever. If it be so, the more reason not to combine them now.
    (note: this is semi-official info at best, so do not rely 100% on it!)
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  12. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    As always, the best stat at any given time is dependent on all the rest of your stats. If you have very little crit damage, speed will beat out crit almost every time. If you don't have % Crit from items, getting enough crit for it to be relevant is going to be difficult. If anything, since sapphires will be discontinued and impossible to achieve, I'd say the will have more value than ever.

    Regarding combining them, I'd advise against it. Here's why.

    Bottom Line Up Front: If you do, you risk experiencing "Combiner's Remorse" where as not combining them has only minor risks.

    You have 5x8.6% attack speed gems. Say that, after the expansion, you want to use 2x crit gems and 3x speed gems. If you keep your flawless, you'd be able to get 25.8% speed from those three slots. Now, if you had combined them to get say 1x 11% and 2x8.6%, then you'll only gain 2.4% speed for a total of 28.2%. Is that 2.4% more speed worth risking that you won't find a build down the line that wold be better if you use all 5 of your uncombined sapphires to get a total of 43% speed as opposed to being forever limited to 28.2% from your legacy gems?

    Another way you could combine them would be 2x 11%s if you are willing to use one universal gem or are willing to spend a little andermant on the ongoing gem sale. The problem is, then you'd be faced with the same problems, except your "max" becomes 22%. Sure, you come out on top if the optomal build is 2x speed, 3x onyx, but that is a big "If" and I wouldn't even dream of trying to guess this before we've even gotten the full grasp of what the new enchantments are, how they will work together, what can be upgraded, how reasonable crafting is now, etc.

    Did the above address what you were thinking, only with examples? Regarding precise calculations, those will wait for at least another 2-4 weeks while I get a feel for the new items and the options available.
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  13. jayr3d

    jayr3d Regular

    Would agree trak is active in regards to this matter
  14. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Thats true, but we need to remember that every char has one item by default, - underwear with 4x 25% crit dmg. Without crit that item is being wasted.
  15. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    It's also worth some HP and damage... we'd all be screwed without those too. :p
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  16. Mesala

    Mesala Advanced

    Thank you, so crafted items go to thrash after this release since they values will most likely be fixed and they will not
    be turned into the variable new ones.

    A) Gazillion gold spent
    B) Hundreds and hundreds of hours spent for yellow lines
    C) Uniques destroyed
    D) Have to use anders for upgrade gems

    So in the end, its a reset of the game.
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  17. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    You can't do that without receiving penalty.
    The penalty for using Longbow + Shield combo is ... 25 push ups :)

    Trakilaki doesn't get presents ... trakilaki earns every single item with blood and sweat ;)

    Naaah ... I'm gonna run for President!

  18. Zed

    Zed Forum Pro

    Yup, thank you very much :)
    Sapphires are kept warm in the weapon deco, better safe than sorry.
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  19. -HARRA81-

    -HARRA81- Forum Mogul

    Is there any chances to get the update time for the new expansion before it's going on ? :rolleyes:
  20. Totentamten

    Totentamten Junior Expert

    Forget about it, it's monday, lazy day, day of headache. Work is last on the list.
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