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  1. pydragons

    pydragons Padavan

    Perhaps they started to realize how bad their programmers are !
  2. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Delay is absolutely normal thing in an IT world, moreover, it is much better than releasing something unstable. We have had enough of quick&dirty development, time to pay the technical debt off.
  3. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Perhaps BP has to do something to be able to test this out, so such posts do not appear again.

    I can think of incorporating ELO model together with the Character Power (or whatever they call it) and then look if ELO rank matches the Character Power. If those two ranks are completely out of sync, and some (whatever) class is winning more despite lower stats (gems, glyphs, items, whatever), something is wrong. It could be that some very specific player plays better than the others, but on big numbers, it cannot be that all players of certain class are better as players. That would solve the issue forever. I would even have the ELO ranking replacing the old player rank. ELO has proven to be accurate over many years of use in various sports and competitions.
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  4. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    Sorry for the repeat Haruki if you did see this, but I haven't seen your thoughts on the post made previously on the title issues and wanted to make sure you caught it in all the chaff about OPness.

    Haruki, the progression of titles for achievements make no sense once you get past Legend. Mythos is not a descriptor for a person and is improper use of the word as a title in english. You do not say someone is a Mythos, you say they are Mythical. The title should be Mythical.

    Next comes Demigod, ok that one is cool, but the one after that is Messenger of the Demigods. How do you go from being one to being one of their servants or of lessor status than a Demigod. That one should be Diety.

    The next one is Hero of the Demigods. Hero is already in there as a title and again if you were a Demigod, why are you less after you get more points? May I suggest Immortal here.

    Titan is a cool title and excellent choice. So, I suggest the following progression from legend.

  5. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    @CM Haruki
    Are devs aware of the current exploits/cheating/bugusing related to unrealistic life amounts of many PGs seen in arena or in generic pvp, and strange behaviors of the life bars?
    This is not related to a visual bug, this is really an abuse, please look for references in the forums (not only EN) about this scenario:
    - you enter an arena fight
    - since the beginning, you realize that lifebar of your opponent (or someone of the enemy group) is already at 33% / 50%, even without fighting
    - you start to hit opponent with even heavy hits, but his lifebar doesn't change at all
    - only after a HUGE amount of inflicted damage, not realistic for any existent build even reinforced by heavy stones, suddenly opponent lifebar reverts to 100% and from now on it starts to decrease normally, meaning normally related to a realistic amount of life of that PG class.

    Thank you to take care, it's something to deeply investigate. Pls check also vs similar support opened tickets.
    Regards :)
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  6. MANOJ

    MANOJ Forum Pro

    Are you kidding me, I can ask any friend of mine to say many such things and post them as proof that every class is OP o_O
    This is proof for nothing.
    A random level 50 ranger saying EA has high damage doesn't prove anything, it is just a player saying what is already known to all.
    Everyone knows how much damage EA does.
    EA doesn't deal more damage than what it is supposed to. BP clearly knows that.
    Rangers use this skill as it is, there is no abuse in doing so.
    EA breaks armor, right. But it is so short timed in PvP that it is literally useless in arena.
    Moreover, you need to mark your opponent to deal damage effectively on the opponenet. End game PvP is fast paced that it is really hard for even a experienced ranger to mark and EA hit players simultaneously.
    Even a longbow doesn't even come close to 2H on other classes. And usually Rangers use shortbows in PvP for the speed.
    And no average player dies in 1 marked EA shot from a short bow (except glass canons).
    If you get killed in 1 marked EA shot from a particular ranger, either you are too weak for level 50 PvP or that ranger is too good.

    Exceptions are not Examples.
  7. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    There you go, you clearly are a ranger and you just admited that Explosive Arrow has to much damage and you knew about it. You and other rangers did not want to say anythig up untill now so you could abuse the skill in game for it's to much damage and that as is, is very bad for game.
    I'am not a weak tank, yes I did not play for the past 4-5 months but hey am still going strong, almost 6k armor and 12.5k life, not bad for someone who played 3 moths for the full year (I don't have time for game always, there is life). In the arena I did die from 1 shot of EA marked, shot was blocked and still did heavy damage in 8000+ damage on the explosion did not see damage on hit but is was big also, so don't tell me how it's not possible when it happened not just to me to others to. EA needs a nerf.

    PS: That in the picture is no friend of mine, I do not know the guy at all.
  8. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    So let me resume:
    - you are war with 12.5k life and 6k armor
    - every ranger you face in arena currently oneshot you with explosive arrow.
    Is that you are saying ?

    Or could be more honest to collect data and say on a basis on X fights vs rangers, how many times did you badly lost?

    So i repeat for the sake of clarity, agreeing with MANOJ: exceptions must be pointed out as exceptions, not as a general truth. And remember that you SHOULD LOSE if the system is well-balanced if you are fighting against a PG with better stats and better playstyle in arena.
    And as i already said, don't focus on your class or on a particular ability like EA: i can assure that this is valid also seeing things from the other side, if you were a mage or a ranger you will easily find that sure, you can badly loose in one shot from a mage or with a 1-2 combination from a war that has just stunned you. 5 seconds of fight and you are dead. I hate this, like you: because even against some PGs that are more powerful, i would like to prove my ability in evading attacks, doing some damage. But this is not possible if at first shot you are dead, i perfectly understand what you are talking about.
    But note that it does NOT depend from the explosive arrow ability. It's a top-level issue. Even if you remove the entire EA ability from rangers, you will find same problem with other classes.
  9. fab

    fab Advanced

    The arena is dominated by RA now, no doubt they are still defending their EA by all means.
    Even those moderators knows how op the EA is BUT THEY pretend they doesn't know a single thing, amusing isn't that so.
    Skills with absolutely no cooldown with armourbreak, mark targets becomes double damage.
    Game got too much flaws, playing becomes a big big struggle especially when you are playing a mage against a dk or ranger and not forgetting SM is gettign stronger too and sooner they will be in top ten ranks in pvp too.
    Their shortbows is so fast and avoiding them is near impossible together with slowing down, mages 2H wand is slow like hell and yes frozen sphere got good damage but compare to explosive shot is really nothing, EA projectile is so much faster and range is so much much better than frozen sphere.
  10. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    For instance, I say that arena is dominated by SPELLWEAVERS, with NO DOUBTS.
    Another says arena is dominated by DWARFS.
    And when you face an immortal war, "clearly" arena is dominated by DRAGONKNIGHTS.

    Now what?
    Where do you want to go with this kind of discussion?
    I have NO DOUBTS, like you.

    And i repeat: now what?
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  11. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    99% of 50 level ranger have over 2000+ damage add that with 2000 more (200% exlosive arrow) and times 2. How much base damage is that in one shot? By the why 40 level rangers have 1100 base damage minimum so EA skill needs to go down to 75% not 200% base damage.

    I don't have a problem with losing, that is part of the match, you lose some you win some and am ok with that and I don't die 5s of the fight, not my problem but that over-powered explosive arrow is everyones non ranger problem.

    DK armor brake damage: 75%
    SM armor brake damage: 75%
    SW armor brake damage: 50%
    RA armor brake damage: 2 times 200%
    Whats wrong with this picture?

    Edit: Ragers dominate arena couse of EA skill have to much damage if it was not like that the arena would be "every class play-ground" or in other words fer and well balanced.

    Edit 2: Almost forgot, rangers are only class in game that does not have a cooldown on armor brake and most over-powered skill at the same time, as so they can abuse this skill a lot and they will.
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2015
  12. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    lol. This is enough to understand your way to reasoning about this.
    Sorry but there's no ROTFL emoticon on forum interface :D
    No more to say from my side.
  13. MANOJ

    MANOJ Forum Pro

    Now I understand, why most of the forum members here IGNORE your posts.
    I should be doing the same. My bad.
    We all learn from our experience :rolleyes:
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  14. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

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  15. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    So it's not true about damage? Prove it!

    Non answere the question about armor brake, why do you ignore it?
  16. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    Ok, let's say that I picked a match with Bigpappa. I think everyone would agree he has a slightly above average ranger :p

    Now if he wiped the floor with me and I had never read the forum, I might assume that he won because:

    1. Maybe he has slightly better gear than I do.
    2. Maybe he has better gems that I do.
    3. Maybe he has gotten lucky with some killer gear drops.
    4. Maybe he has farmed more and upgraded his gear.
    5. Maybe he has done more events and has special gems that I don't have.
    6. Maybe he has played more and knows some tricks I have not learned yet.
    7. Maybe he has spent a few dollars on his character, or maybe a lot of money.
    8. Maybe, just maybe he is simply a better player than I am.

    All of these things should encourage me to become stronger and learn to play better.

    Now if he wiped the floor with me and I had spent a lot of time reading the forum, I can only assume that he won because:

    1. He has a ranger and the nothing I can do matters. So the only option is to beg until DSO nerf's every single ranger in the game.
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  17. sdknightno1

    sdknightno1 Advanced

    I was actually intrigued by the possibility of a ranger doing 12.5k damage on a well-armored DK and doing a 1HKO. So I tested my damage with several DK friends and I'm posting the video of one of them below:

    Note that for the "EA doing too much damage" argument's sake, I chose to use my PvE longbow (for PvP I normally use my shortbow with 2.3 speed). You can see the stats I had when I was testing and also that I took all the talents for explosive arrow.

    Note that I told the DK beforehand that I wanted to test my explosive arrow damage and the the DK has consented to the making of this video.

    P.S. The explosive arrow really takes a toll on your concentration..
  18. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    Are you serious? :D DK in video uses a atlantis set to make more life and armor, and he is P2P, his life is 19450 and armor over 11k, no one in his right mind uses atlantis set couse it's level is 40, so you are cheating here as you also did tone down the EA skill for this video 'couse my friend just told me that his 1450 damage (his not 50lvl yet) has EA on 4889 base damage, and what ranger playes with out critical hit value? Video only prove that your a cheater and you are defendig the over-powered skill so you can abuse it in game, you proven that for sure.
    As for the contrecation you do have fast con. regeneration + adrenaline every 18s so your not correct here.

    DK's usualy have 4-5k armor with dragan set, 5-6k not so many of players and over 6+ maybe 2% of DK's. You where clearly cheating.
  19. littlemichel

    littlemichel Active Author

    fact vs false information , bu not magic here , even he doesn't know about his own skill , DK Iron Brow is 50% ,Dwarf C14 is 150% with talent selected ,BTW that why no point reply it,if he already started with incorrect information and at the end will denies it, even if someone bring the fact.
  20. VukChe

    VukChe Forum Apprentice

    is this proof? How do you proof EA is OP? With this picture? cccccc
    1. How we know the other player who whisp you is not you with other char
    2. Your proof is that somebody say EA is OP,

    Please be serious when you are talking something
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