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  1. fab

    fab Advanced

    Rangers and dks players will only find me annoying and started to called ppl names, like i have mention earlier if you are really good at playing the game no matter which class you play doesnt make a difference !
    There are so many flawless on the little weak class mage and rangers is OP and no matter no players comment they are just a bunch of selfish players only good for defending their PS and EA got absolutely zero cooldown.
    And this stupid momma is like a sissy hiding in a corner playing his own ranger, and what this trak said is even more funnier a sw with a base of 300 can just spam chian of lightning can kill anyone ( just spam stun and kill all ) hahhaahahaha
    If a dk got a minimum of ( lets say) 8k hp and he's using lifekeeper and a sw uses a fireball on him and each hit is 500++ and together pyromanina is about 100-200++ for 3 secs and he heal successfully for each block for 1%, may i know how many is needed just to pvp against a dk and forgetting them got immunity which is unstoppable too.
    The game need to do THINGS RIGHT in the very first place and not doing RIGHT THINGS !!!
     
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  2. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    You have no consideration for anyone at any level of any class. You have found a thread where you can spout your nonsense without a moderator taking action and the CM that wants this to be an open discussion but does not come here often enough to censor out of control posters like yourself. Ban this rude inconsiderate spammer or you can count me as gone from this forum as there is apparently no place for open intelligent discussion anymore.
     
  3. Knifefromjack

    Knifefromjack Someday Author

    BigPapa that would be a shame to let a few posters or one to stop you from informing the rest of us. As a new player I always read your well written and informatative posts. We need people like you.
     
  4. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Yeah, right. @BigPapa you have a right to ignore whatever conversation you want by not engaging in it for whatever reason you like, valid or even not, who cares. Just pick one and scroll through.

    I'm being selfish and whining myself, sometime, bu you know, state of the forum represents state of the game, sort of.

    A question for you, since I respect your posts a lot and they are always very reasonable, even if I don't like them always myself :)

    What do you think of lifekeeper? Should or should not such an item make it into a game? (By such an item I mean an item that has a potential to double/triple effective health of a player of whatever class throughout the fight)

    And heads-up for you to take into account. Mathematically speaking, the Player Power or whatever they call it or we call it is a multiplication of Offence Index by Defence Index. It is not an addition, but multiplication and hope you understand why. So whatever new item you equip, may slightly improve one or the other, by adding small % to either of both indexes. Lifekeeper, in my opinion, multiplies all of that by 2-3-4 or whatever number, since it is not a slight addition to HP or Armor, it is whole new dimension - healing. In other words, two characters with similar OI and DI would have equal chances to win, but if one of them is using that new dimension of healing, the other would have zero chances. And even though the other might enjoy slightly better weapon in terms of damage or speed, it would not make it to overcome the new dimension. Pure math. Would you agree?
     
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  6. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    Thank you Knife I truly appreciate those words.

    Ty also Seb, you and i don't always agree but we do so with courtesy even when it's emotional. I respect what you contribute even when we disagree. Discourse it an age old path to discovery, and this is the perfect thread for it as all sides are exposed to be reviewed by the CM. Its when truth get's obscured or burried that we have problems.

    To answer your question I think the weapon is double edged, so to speak, and is only a negative in PVP and only for some toons. On the one edge, the folks that the weapon best benifits are the ones that actually need it for balanced survivabilyt, and in their hands there is no problem with its use in PVP or PVE. These are the DK's that need the extra survivablity because their damage is impotent and their HP is too low to take many hits without the additional regeneration. I find it odd that they put survivability on a weapon that does minimal damage as it kind of defeats the purpose of PVP. For PVE, again no problem for any toon. We all want a tank that holds agro with one skill and lives to continue using it.

    On the other edge of the weapon, are the super DK's that have chuckled at this whole nerfing thing as their toons were developed well beyond any nerf they applied with the exception of crit reduction which we all got hit with. Those toons armed with this weapon moved into the stratosphere of PVP survivablity. We could all probably pick 5 names off the top of our heads that make us smile when we see them on our team and frown when they are not. But, even those supertoons if attacked with the right skills and by the right people can be brought down. If they are regenning more hp than they are being hit for because dumb rangers are throwing their dogs at them, or dumb SW's put up a pet or a singularity with a damage tick on it, or a SM puts a fast hit turret on them like machine gun or Tesla, all they do is make it impossible for big hit spells to do their job. I flag sit alot in 5v5 and i have no problem bringing these guys down before they can get the flag from me because i recognize what they are carrying and I drop bombs on them instead of machine gunning them. My defense keeps them from taking me out first. But, if they come in with a partner damage dealer the task is much more complicated as im a sitting duck and have to take out the damage guy first. If the DK does have a flag that everyone is firing at is he is impossible to bring down till the rest of the chucklheads get killed off and there is a few strong hitters on him. So summary; its a good weapon for most, bad for some, but only because people haven't discovered how to defeat it yet.
    I know, such a politician answer. To answer the other part of your question; do I think a weapon like this should make it into the game, the answer is an emphatic no. There were several routes that could have been taken to correct the previous mistakes made/imposed on DK's. The one chosen only addressed a portion of the problems that were created, and it created more problems than it solved.

    Allo, thank you. Much respect.
     
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  7. Mario_Boss

    Mario_Boss Regular

    "Bla bla bla OP"
    "No no no, bla bla bla OP"
    "Ha, bla bla bla OP"
    "Tralalalalalala boriiiiiiiinnnnnggg"

    Now back on\off topic (idk what is topic anymore)

    What is word on Dragonache set? Will it come soon? Stats?

    Hope u'll find post in this mess Haruki
     
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  8. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Thanks. The only remaining question is why can't they figure it out. Doesn't seem one need to be a PhD to come up with similar conclusions.
     
  9. MegaNuker

    MegaNuker Forum Ambassador

    LIFEKEEPER

    I know I might be late on this :( But I really never looked at this weapon and since I watched twitch I see the weapon and see the potential power it gives. I am left handed and being such I am creative. Here is my suggestion.... I know kinda late but...

    Change the pvp side of the weapon to no effect while stuned. This will at least fix the flag standers...
     
  10. Diego_Gonzales

    Diego_Gonzales Junior Expert

    What about Defender's Set? We had the opportunity to gain a belt and one ring. What about the rest?
    Will it be possible to buy this set for gold or drakens? With stats on 1-50 lvl of course.
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. ULTRAPEINLICH

    ULTRAPEINLICH Forum Duke

    Personally I'm content with the changes that are going to be applied on lifekeeper. The change from 1% to 0,8% surely looks ridiculous, but the interesting tweak here is that the healing effect won't be triggered by Dot anymore, only by direct hits. And this changes a lot. I'm confident that the worst issue is fixed by that change
     
  12. Dylannn

    Dylannn Board Analyst

    Are you sure about this? That indeed changes a lot and that was also what I wanted to see :)

    Only thing I find unfair is that DK get 4.5k draken back for a 0.2% nerf, if we look at maths, it's a 20% nerf of the beginning situation, so give them 20% = 1200 draken back.
    If not, give them a little bit more, but 4500 is ridiculous, means some will get the weapon almost for free.
     
  13. ULTRAPEINLICH

    ULTRAPEINLICH Forum Duke

    4,5k Draken is ridiculous yes. But I do not intent to start a discussion about this, DKs won't admit this is ridiculous whilst other classes will insist it is.

    Concerning the trigger mechanic change: (27:02 to 27:50)
     
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  14. Dylannn

    Dylannn Board Analyst

    Hmm, hope they knew what they were saying, instead of just saying "This only applies to a blocked attack". We will notice what happens :) Thx for the info and the specific time in the vid.
     
  15. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    What pisses me off is the price of the compensation. In addition to enjoying everything it had to offer for several weeks, they get to continue enjoying a very nice item for a quarter of the price. If I knew that this was going to happen, I'd have bought the weapon when it first came out instead of the new dark set... The compensation should be complete removal with 100% compensation (Draken, Glyphs, all embedded gems, and Ander spent on slot) with a Portal to Gnob's Cave. There would be no question that this is fair and no one would be able to complain at all because they gain nothing and lose nothing (except the changed stats if they chose to re-purchase the weapon). The other alternative, you should offer the mace for 1500 on sale for a short period of time to again make it "fair."

    Who am I kidding? BP, particularly the DSO team, be fair when they are the ones who made the mistake? I must be smoking something stronger than is legal.
     
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  16. babu_o_babu

    babu_o_babu Advanced

    Can you explain why critical hit rate and critical hit value has the lowest CV values?

    [​IMG]
    I feel like new players are being manipulated by lowering the CV values of critical hit rate and critical damage even when everyone knows the main reason many players farmed low level leg before 139 was just for the sake of critical hit rate enchantment.
     
  17. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    When is stupidly rediculous overpowered ranger skill explosive arrow going to be nerfed?
    Yes I am very angry couse that skill have stupid amount of damage and has no cooldown what so ever .. :mad::mad:

    That skill always make me very angry and it's not just me, so come to you sences and nerf it.
     
  18. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Congrats, you too have discovered an aspect of just how useless this CV system is. For an indepth look at some of the stupid aspects of the system and a way that BP could actually fix this (which I'm sure that they will ignore because I am not a professional game designer so I couldn't possibly know better than the "professionals" employed by BP), you can read through my thread here. In summery, they should adjust the system to give you an offence value (related to DPS) and defense value (related to effective HP) that is directly related to an empirical measurement, and not the highly subjective system that is based on the developers opinion and bad guesses.
     
  19. crazyelli

    crazyelli Junior Expert

    Thanks for taking control,,:)
     
  20. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    Nice job on destroying tank as is, imposible to play with it ...
    so I have 6650 armor and 15000 life and 100% imposible to play .. why did i ever come back to stupid game??? All you lisen is what ranger class have to say others you dont lisen to you just destroy class.. that all you did with the tank
    Why do we not have debuff on jump like every other class?
    Why does the ranger needs explosive arrow maxed out at 2x 199.8% dmg and no cooldown?
    Why does a mage have to have double effect with ice magic ball (what ever name is) and so much dmg on it, why why why??

    I did help so much ... you know very well with what .. even when you give me negative points I still helped the game ...

    When a ranger take out 6079 life in 1 shot trough block and reduced by 55% ... that is seroulsy messed up skill you given then, you better realize it soon .. mage dose some what lower numbers around 3500 and thats the second effect ... so with what am I going to fight back as a tank when I have no life left of my 15000? Just explain it to me .. Tank are a punching bags now, nothing more, and if you only did everything right instead of wrong I would not post now, would not be angry about anything. You really did given them a overpowered skill, they even call it tank-killer couse it turns one strong class in to paper, its rediculous
     
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