Suggestion Bring back sapphires!

Discussion in 'Creative Corner' started by ΣMiwel, Nov 15, 2018.

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Do you want Sapphires to make a great comeback?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  1. Paavelson

    Paavelson Junior Expert

    hmm.. converting sapphires to runes. and allow players place runes on gemslots. for weapon and andorment only. how about that :D
  2. But why make everything so complicated lol, they could've just left Sapphires untouched. I guess they get a thrill out of making things complicated and then try to fix it.. like with crafting. o_O
  3. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    Try to fix... ok... but not screwing players in the process and taking away the work of old players - for the sake of what? As it isn't going to bring them any money, after all - rather take it away by making some players leaving.
  4. I was being sarcastic, not sure if you got it or not. I am against removal of Sapphires.
  5. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    So, despite the community-endorsement of this proposition and the obvious unfairness of their conversion, they are going with the change and ignoring the player feedback?

    Dear mods, please demand an official answer from the devs on this matter... they have two options. Either tell us directly that they do not give a damn about what we want, or tell us they are working on it and it is going to be implemented with R214. Please tell them this too.
  6. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    They put refiners thinking that people would change them, but they did not, years have passed and the old players have runes that the game does not allow the other players to obtain in any way, creating an unnecessary disadvantage to those who came to the game after that.
    The answer is either we all have the option of getting them or nobody should keep them.
  7. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    of course they do that, they didn't care in the past and they do not care now

    Do i need to recall what they did after they asked for feedback for new moon? they threw everything in the trash
  8. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    But do they have nuts to officially tell it us, even through a mod?
    And yet you voted "NO"... let me guess, you didn't even bother to read my first post?
  9. We passed on feedback when they first removed Sapphires from the store. We've also passed on feedback about their complete removal from the game. We don't have any official answer and "demanding" one won't likely help either. I can only tell you that the test server is going to be the single best indicator of what you should expect and, at this time, it looks like Sapphires are gone for good.
  10. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    Then, they are simply avoiding telling us straight in the face what they think and instead they are cringing silently...

    Then, we could live like we received somthing like the following as an official answer:
  11. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Yes, i read it. I voted 'No' because I don't want sapphires to exist, I don't think they are necessary.
    But anyways I give an opinion above, even if I prefer one option, there are both, and I would understand if people is interested in the other option.
  12. So can you elaborate on why you do not want Sapphires to exist? There has to be a logical reasoning behind that opinion.
  13. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    The sapphires were dropped when the runes of attack speed did not exist, it was because of creating the runes that the sapphires stopped dropping, because the idea was to exchange one for the other, and not that the two coexist.
    I started playing when the sapphires were no longer dropped and I have not experienced great difficulty to get a good cut of attack speed.
    It does not seem necessary considering that besides the runes, now the wisdom tree has changed and we have more facilities at our disposal.
    BP should have done it right from the beginning and announced a deadline until the sapphires disappeared, give users a few days to change them to onyxes or runes and remove the sapphires years ago.
  14. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    Nope to have done it right from the beginning they should have just left them alone. This would have allowed more build diversity in the long run. The advantage that some of us had using sapphires when 185 went live has long since disappeared. Players have had time to farm runes. Many players that had big sapphires are no longer in the game. And now gems are not even allowed in pvp.

    So any disparity being caused by these gems is only perceived and not reality.
  15. See but your judgement is based on how you build your character. It does seem pointless to use attack speed gems over crit when there's attack speed runes. But there are players who like sacrificing CHR for attack speed and I don't see anything wrong with that. It does not affect the game at all and it does not give them an advantage so what's the point of removing these beautiful blue gems?
    trakilaki likes this.
  16. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Ok then, maybe the correct way to do it was to keep sapphires in the game, but then not implementing the runes.
    When in PvP the CHR is not the needed for Infernal modes, old players can use the nevermore dropped sapphires to have same CHR than the new player but more attack speed thanks to a gem that the new player will never have, i think that this had to change...
    You can say that if sapphires come back to game there's no more problem with that, but i can't see fair that the old players had this advantatge for years and now the "solution" proposed is just to make sapphires come back again so new players can start building high gems through months while old players are still taking advantage of the gems.

    I think it's too late for that, when old players only write if something affects them and they had never thought of proposing it when they were not the harmed ones, but the new players...

    Yes it's true, now PvP is changing and you can't use gems, but neither the runes, and we all know that's temporary, so when PvP admits gems again, what then?

    It is sad to see that a company needs years to locate an error and correct it.
  17. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    Gems won't work in PvP.
    Nope. The Sapphires were a percentage bonus gem, and since they were increasing the values of all gems (adding the Qaizah variants), the percentage would also have to be increased. So they introduced the gem=absolute and rune=percentage system and have been following it ever since.
    What I described in the initial post (making sapphires gems with an absolute value and keeping them in drop) was actually proposed (I don't remember by who though) right after the r185, but it was ignored by devs back then.
    We have runes for armor value, resistances and hp... then, why not remove the cyanites, diamonds and amethysts? They are not supposed to coexist, right? Aand we have the damage runes. Usable only in amulet and helmet, but damn it, let's remove rubies to. They should never coexist. We also have some sort of critical hit rate "runes" (special gems actually, but they go into rune slots), those from winter solstice event and those old moonstones. So let's remove the onyxes too and the game will be complete. No runes and gems giving the same state - no problem.
  18. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    You cant remove rubbies since they give flat value which is being increased by enchantments if the runes are percentage you will loose a lot more dmg than what you think and since saphire and the rune counterpart are the same , i mean they both give speed by % not flat value so they can be exchanged for one another
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2018
  19. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    I have already said before:
    You are trying to cheat.
    Actually, yes, the rest of the gems are supposed to coexist with the corresponding runes. But never was the idea with sapphires, the real idea always was to exchange gems for runes and never coexist but devs didn't finish the job until now.
  20. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    Explain me, what is wrong with sapphires coexisting with the attack speed runes when all the other gems can coexist and you like it?
    I can't, but the devs can, anytime they want.
    Have you read what I am proposing?
    Make the sapphires give flat attack speed bonuses. Make them drop again and make them sold again. What's wrong about the old players keeping their Blues while the new and those who exchanged them for runes could farm them up again and making them fit to the new (gems=absolute) system?