Suggestion Bring back sapphires!

Discussion in 'Creative Corner' started by ΣMiwel, Nov 15, 2018.

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Do you want Sapphires to make a great comeback?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  1. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    I do not think that anyone gets into a game thinking that it is eternal, that it will never change or that it does not evolve.
    I think everyone is aware of that and we all accept it, people spend money to enjoy while it lasts, knowging all is gonna change over time.

    What recompense do they want if they have enjoyed 2 years of an obsolete item that the new players could not get in any way?
    This had to be done 2 years ago.
    Recompense of what?! They've had 2 more years to use this gems unnecessarily. What more recompense than that?

    Ask him, have you really spent 2 million? Or you have only calculated the real and total price of the sapphires but you do not tell people that half or more you did it farming and the few that you bought were in discounts? Not even close to 1 million so... Anyways the andermants are totally amortized and you all know it.
  2. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    When will you understand that it doesn't matter whether somebody has actually spent andermants on it or no? The idea was to prove how much were the sapphires worth, and how big is the value loss when they are getting converted to runes. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing itself, without any arguments to present.
    Stop spitting venom all around, you're being like one of those gorgons in atlantis. If you were able to look at us, you would try to convert us into stone. Bring him a gorgon constume!

    And one more thing... (I'm not going to look for one of the very first posts where you actually said this)
    Let alone the value, effort etc. lost by those affected by the conversion, the sapphires actually are necessary for the build diversity. I'm repeating this, because it seems you still haven't understood.
    Change... but not be taken away just like that at an immense (regarding to both value and the amount of people affected) scale. Especially not when it reduces the effect of having played for longer (crucial legacy items are harmful, but sapphires were not crucial, and we don't want them to be legacy anymore - read the thread title - having played for longer should mean having more of them). For sure not when it effects negatively an important trait of the game - in this case, build diversity.
    With the total lack of arguments he has, with what he is arguing for not being beneficial to him in any way (in fact, my suggestion might be beneficial to him) and just harming others, with the growing disrespect towards us... I'd say you are probably right.
  3. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Duke

    I must admit both your arguments in this post actually make sense too.

    For example rubies can be both dropped and purchased as well, right? I would even say that many people never buy rubies, and some people like me mostly rely on drop and only buy one or two polished / radiant rubies on sale.
    The thing is, while this is a good point, it's still quite an unfair conversion from sapphires to runes even if you never bought a single one, because you spent a lot of time and effort farming the gems :/ So I still understand why people with large sapphires feel bitter...

    The other argument you've posed about combining the gems, enjoying their power, and then wanting them back in their basic form when it seems beneficial, I must admit I've never thought about it that way, but what you're saying is not nonsensical, actually.
    I imagine this could be quite an advantage in case of all the gems and runes in the game, and perhaps an interesting new feature: Being able to break your large gems/runes to the 3 weaker gems/runes. It'd make equipment slot management more flexible...
  4. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Forgive them ... noobs, bad trolls, ignorant people and idiots can be proven instantly.
    GiantNames with Max micro values can be regularly found on the net.
    What makes the difference is the dedicated wise people are punching the facts right in the eye ... bad trolls don't even read.
    I can easily show the proof in just a blink of an eye ... because I am not here from yesterday ... I read then memorize and then know what to search for.
    Here in THIS THREAD I clearly showed up I had spent millions in just a single day.
    If I could spend millions as a F2P ... P2W and P2P players could have spent x100.
    Facts speak for themselves ... trolls need to learn proper trolling from trakilaki :)

    One does not simply create Royal Blues by farming gems.
    The gem drops at that time were not as they are now ... they were 999999 times lower than today. People could only buy Blues to create Royals. That is why discounts and 50% sales were highly appreciated.
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  5. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Sapphires will be CHANGED into runes.
  6. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    What if one has max runes already and a lot more farmed, so that they will have max runes instantly after the update?
  7. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Duke

    I'm not against your idea at all (not that my opinion matters), just to be clear,
    but .. build... diversity? In Drakensang Online? I wish there was build diversity in this game, but really, honestly, in a game where 9/10 rangers use Q7 as their primary set which they combine with 2 other sets that are always the same to boost their damage which - again let's be honest - is the only thing that matters unless you're a tank, and which reduces your skill usage to Net -> 8 EAs -> wait a sec -> Net -> 8 EAs -> wait a sec -> Net -> and so on..., well in such a game it is possible to try to make different builds, but the described setup always outperforms everything mainly in boss battles. And even if the gods and living legends of this game prove that it indeed is possible to make a better build, 99% of the players don't know about it, therefore build diversity remains hidden and almost never used.

    Ok, now that was about sets which is not the topic here. With sapphires, all you will achieve is better attack speed probably at the cost of lower critical hit rate, or something like that. So it's just about numbers. That's not very um.. diverse.
    It's fine wanting sapphires back, don't get me wrong. I just think build diversity needs to be achieved through unique item / set bonuses and abilities that transform your usage of skills. But in this game nothing matters. You can kill fire demons with fireballs. Like ***. You know what I mean? This allows you to just build one optimal build with which you can just spam the same attack against any monster :/
    Sorry for the essay, it's just what I think about diversity, because you're using it as an argument for sapphires.
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  8. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    Precisely what I say, thank you traki.
    People here talk about prices without discounts and gems that they have half farmed and half purchased (discount ON, ofc).
    You have made me see in your thread that I am right.
    Ty! For being honest, not like others.
  9. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    That is me ... I can only account for my spendings. But I know huge number of P2P players who never bothered with discounts ... those people have spent a fortune on Blues. And I am not here to raise my voice only in my name.
    So yes huge number of players have bought Blues in real price.
    The worth of Blues is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Runes.
    And the discount doesn't lower the Blue's value.
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  10. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    But they wanted to do it, even knowing that they could wait for a discount.
    Tell me one thing... Do you think that if they had known that sapphires would only be served for 2 more years, they would not have bought them, or would they have bought them anyway?
  11. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Good, nobody expects the game to last forever, but they want their investment to last as long as possible and to be somewhat safe

    Gems and glyphs were kind of a safe investment, with this move this changes

    Again, why should i spend money or time ingame and then see it being taken away on a whim?I do not want eternity, i want some of the results of my efforts to be safe and untouched, if you do the opposite, you're telling the players that efforts doesn't matter, it'll be invain
    guess what, when they decided to remove crystal of truth, they refunded them

    They could easily do that with the sapphires or they could simply convert the sapphires into flawed sapphires and them convert those into runes

    But that's beside the point, sapphires should have never been removed from the shop and the drop list, they should have been kept there
    That's because you're arguing from a perspective of a 2hand players, those players are going to have to make every sapphire into a rune in order to make space for onyxes

    But 1hand players on the other hand need not to do that, since books/quivers/tools provide quite an handy amount of crit, so they can remove 1 or 2 onyxes and put a sapphire in their place
  12. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    That's the point, that's why I have the opinion that I have, there have been people more affected by this and I do not believe that those who have had the sapphires are in a position to ask for anything more in return after having enjoyed something obsolete for so long, without giving any option to others.
    That's the idea.
    You may not like it but it is lawful to do so.

    Like Akageshi said...
    You can't use sapphires as a claim to diversity, if you want diversity propose other ideas in the forum.
  13. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    what option to others?The others didn't farm anything, they do not get anything

    When they removed the crystals, they converted all crystals of truth to andermants, even those that weren't bought, but farmed

    Many players profited from being able to farm them and made a great deal of andermants

    They should have back whatever they spent, just like those who bought crystals with andermants
    Or, better, they should actually have never removed sapphires from the drops and from the shop, they should have remained there, while those who wished would have made them runes, and others should have kept them

    The fact that they enjoyed them doesn't make it right to remove them without compensation
    It's bordeline theft to remove them in such a way
    I'm getting the impression that the color of the matter in your head isn't gray, but it's more like brown by reading what you write

    How can you claim, with a straight face, that arguing for non removal and restoring of sapphires to the shop and in the drops isn't a claim to diversity? You do realize that removing them is going to make 1h builds entirely redudant, because they do not need so many onyxes in their weapon ornaments, since they get much of the needed crit from the offensive off hand?With that they are actually easily able to surpass the crit needed to reach 80% in each difficulty, so that's why 1h players do not need onyxes
    And guess what it does, it reduces build diversity in the game
    You cannot be serious, you can't argue this, you can't be spreading this intellectual manure, which you call opinions( but it doesn't mask the stench, unfortunately for you)

    Nobody is claiming that it isn't lawful, they are perfectly fine in doing that, it actually harms the game and it's not good game design

    Also the claim that sapphires give such a huge advantage is false, they aren't even playing their own game, as usual
    I am a mage that is using crafted bloodmage weapon, with the next update i'll probably be able to surpass 3,00 attack speed, i'm sitting at 2,91
    Those speeds were actually well beyond the reach of 2hand players, i do not think that sapphires were actually able to let 2 hand players reach those speeds and even if they would today, those 2 hand players would be disadvantaged against players who use onyxes

    Also there are like 1 or 2 speed breakpoints above 3,00, it's not like 1h players or those 2h players would have any advantage
    And i can reach 3,00 attack speed while also being able to max crit and crit damage( i would easily reach 400% crit damage) while also being able to reach 36k damage, without any sacrifice
    Where are the advantages provided by sapphires?
    Also, guess who caused this situation, it's bp themselves
    The simple fix to that situation is making them droppable and buyable again
  14. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    When I said that, I meant that for 2 years new players did not have the option of having any sapphire, and it turns out that the victims are you who had them available. No. No.
    They have not given me the option to farm them, who compensates me for that disadvantage during 2 years?
    It could seem like a kind of compensation to give 2 more years of time to enjoy when they were removed for the rest of the players.
    Then use rubies.
    No, it is convenient for you but not the solution.
    I said that before:
  15. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Infact they should have instead never removed the drop of sapphires and should reintroduce them now, to give, you know, the option

    Guess what,if a player stopped playing a for period of time and somehow missed an event which gave a good item, should that item be removed from the players who played the event?No

    That's because you weren't there back then, nothing wrong with that, it happened years ago and you are a noob, so you weren't there

    I also wasn't able to farm as many crystals, since i haven't unlocked the main crystal farming map( which was parallel world q3 at the time)
    I didn't get to get many andermants, but i didn't protest, i accepted the reward for what i farmed and moved on
    That's fair
    Also what compensation for those who didn't experience? those who didn't farm/buy should get no compensation, since, you know, they didn't do anything
    You think that removing sapphires is going to be a compensation for newbies like you?Don't fool yourself, those who use them now will probably convert them into rubies/onyxes and runes, like Baragain and get even stronger
    You attempt to equalize the situation is gonna backfire

    Yes, using rubies which are going to be less useful than sapphires in the adornment, since 1h players aren't going to be able to catch up to 2h players? You conveniently ignored my point about attack speed, probably because it demolished your "arguments"

    It's not going to be convenient for me, since i use 2h myself, i refined my farmed sapphires into runes, but that's what needed for diversity
    Of course it actually went above your head, since you think that diversity is somehow an excuse to keep sapphires( that's quite a Galaxy brain take)
  16. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    You are wrong if you think that i'm noob or newbie :)
    Let's see if saying it shorter you understand it better: you do not deserve any kind of compensation for anything.

    Would you see logic in reactivating sapphires without any explanation of why they have created a hollow of 2 years?
    I already said it, but removing it from drop and creating runes was a huge clue of what could be expected in the future.
    So blind were you? Are not you the experts in the game? Did not you see it coming? :)
  17. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    instead they do, since they invested money and time in the game, at least if BP wants players to actually pay for their game, which doesn't seem to be the case

    And there is precedence, they refunded the crystals of truth

    The logic is clear, give players more choice in how they want to create builds, stop forcing everyone to use the same sets, stop dictating to players what they have to use

    But that has nothing to do with the topic, their plan to remove them has nothing to do with the topic in question, what the topic is actually discussing is reintroducing sapphires and making the devs reconsider this exact plan

    You probably are given how you "reason"
  18. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Let me say it shorter so you would understand.
    You don't deserve any attention.
    All your arguments are invalid because:
    - either the butthurt flows in you
    - either you are one of those infiltrators pretending to be players just to justify the dev's work
    In both cases it won't pass.
    A simple one.
    Because the devs are changing more often than people are changing socks daily.
    Today one designer would come up with one idea ... tomorrow another one will come up with opposite one. Every next one is trying to destroy the work of the previous ones and make it disappear without trace. That is what animals do not people ... in example when a lion takes over a pride and forces out the previous alpha male ... he is destroying every single trace that can lead or remind of the old alpha male ... killing his offspring as well.
    Is that how DSO operates? It seems so.
    But it is not the devs fault ... they were allowed to do such inconsistent changes because the upper management let them to. That just shows the level of incompetence and organization within the company. If DSO were a country it would be called "Banana Country". Banana game?

    [content removed]

    Nobody cares what you like or dislike ... you had your say, now stop polluting the space and move on.
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  19. Mal3ficent

    Mal3ficent Guest

    Off topic, spamming, trolling posts will be deleted immediately.
    @MaxDisappointed stop your provocation right away. Last and only warning.

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  20. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    In my opinion another variable can bring more diversity Making only builds based on high damage and crit is not the beat way, how about high speed builds that can reduce latency of skills and allow you to spam a big skill like meteor much faster (is just an example and maybe there are much viable ones)
    Speed from different sources flexibility to achieve a certain speed from other sources than runes and few dedicated items or skills can lead to a new build for range classes.
    Why they need to kill this.
    In my opinion they should have two separate way to scale everything to all stats and speed is missing.

    First is adds +xx life/damage/speed gems
    Second is +%xx life /damage/speed runes

    Now we have a problem sapphires should be that +add value speed that we miss and i thing there are some runes thet we miss too, some %critical runes I think and some enchantments with +0.xx speed value that should replace the %values we have now on items.
    That way we can have a base value that can be scaled by runes but I guess we need to have all speed from items and sapphires as base value and only runes to scale that.
    Nvm just thinking and writing an idea that seems to be logic but maybe I miss something.