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  1. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Duke

    Yes, that's right. And even if AAA game developers are obliged to drop these practices, free games will stick to them. Mainly the grind-or-pay practice. It's awful but I get why they do it. If your product is not very amazing and you haven't managed to get tons of people to play and adore it, it's probably hard to have them pay of their own free will :/
  2. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    You cant be more wrong about that. Nowadays people search games that are no pay to win because they have learn that a free to play game that is pay to win will cost you a small fortune if you want to have a good time.Just enter twitch and discuss it streamers or people from chat. Many games that became gready and more pay to win are now in decline I can't say names but search for the biggest game with tanks that will introduce bots because they don't have so much players anymore.
    Another fact is that players prefer to make donation on kickstarter for new games if they like what developers promise and hope that new game bussines model.will be non pay to win but based on microtransaction with skins mounts and other esthetic stuff.
    P2p games don't have so much attention now but personally I have seen one new f2p game.that will not charge players for first 2 acts but if you want to unlock all content you need to pay for about 20.bucks and after that I guess they will have promotional pets+costumes packs for each new patch that will bring new content so that will be a mixed.model.that I like because exclude many kids under 16 years from the start.
    The world is changing we just need to be more.aware of that.
  3. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

  4. piteris2

    piteris2 Regular

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  5. Arr

    Arr Forum Expert

    is there any time for a semi cosmetic fix?
    some mount prices are strange/weird
    all coins amounts includes gold, silver and copper but some of them dont have the 1 copper discount so i think it should be corrected to match the others, i also want to suggest increasing the zebra price because its better than red and blue horses, and lower the highest prices to 999 99 99


    and maybe decreasing the price of one horse to help newbs get a mount faster


    critical hit rate is the equal opposite to block rate, critical damage is to block strength and we have block rate bonus but we havent critical hit rate bonus so there is a disbalance but you are right, probably a limit in block rate would work better

    pay to win is dead
    i dont read more than 3 lines
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2018
  6. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    How would it be?
    To have no pride, no shame, no honor in your work.
    And to be content working like that.

    Maybe one day the devs will enlighten us.
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  7. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    I know I am right ... but you missed the point.
    They would be even more powerful because they will get the same buff as well on top of the already breaking block buff.
    Pride comes with the deeds
    Shame comes with the upbringing
    Honor comes with the achievements

    Last edited: Dec 11, 2018
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  8. Arr

    Arr Forum Expert

    i was going to say something about those immortals but i didnt and i just let the quote there because i dont know

    this game is unkillable, you should know that
  9. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    press F to pay respect
    pay to win may be dead, but in turn healers will get even more powerfull in pvp

    So SWs and Rangers will be useless
    unless of course they plan to nerf healing in the future, which is going to piss off dwarves and DKs

    Also maybe it isn't true, but they plan to remove the distinction between normal and epic mounts, so the zebra and the horses will have the same quality, the only difference will be estetic

    But yes, the horses should have lower costs
  10. mariusmgm

    mariusmgm Someday Author

    i agree,my name in the game is mariushunter,im not very popular,i try not to,i build my char with hard work,i help others,i dont know maybe because i know my self how i was at the beggings,and yes i know a lot of players who left trhe game,what a shame,drakensan looks like dont care about old players,we make this game game famous,but they dont care anyway!
  11. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    pay to win is not ded because as i know there is a leaderboard for PvE too.
    Competition is there so who pay = win
    Now they just change a semi-permanent way to win from runes and gems to consumables- elixirs and tonics so that you win when you pay and just for o short time as the tonic last, is much better for business to pay every day than to pay few times to buy gems to the last tier and after that enjoy the game.
    Why not to nerf them so that they will have to buy our consumables, until now they have bought essences now give them something else.

    I know you and i have talk with you one day you are a positive person is bad that they have make you angry.RIP dso as we know it.
  12. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    listen, as trakilaki said, allowing people to buy power, as in, buying gems, runes, ecc. is not bad in itself, it's necessary to keep the boat afloat

    The problem is when you make the top practically unreachable to free to play players and you make practically impossible to catch up for them

    When i first started to play( right after the first dragan event finished, Flying island existed, darbmoor and old grimmag stone and old swerfield existed) this was possible

    it all started going to rot later, with the introduction of runes for example

    Also pay to win refers to pvp, so yes, with this changes it practically dead
  13. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Duke

    Yes you're right. People, I mean reasonable people, do search for true F2P games, and anything that resembles the said negative practices is a no go for them.

    Many times have I wrote to this forum that DSO should get inspired in some other and much more successful free games, and start offering cool but practically useless cosmetic stuff for real money. These days people are eager to spend real money on cool skins and stuff like that.

    The problem is that your game has to be AWESOME first, so people want to look cool in your cool game. DSO is quite good, but I'm afraid not cool enough :/
    How to make it - at least - look cool? I think people playing some other successful free games appreciate if they can see that the devs care about the product and make some genuine content with the intention to build a cool game, and the underlying intention to make money is a little bit less in-your-face.
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  14. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    How is not bad for people to buy power when no one will came in this game because of this p2w method.
    How is this good when you have 2 choices to buy or to be frustrated and the only way to enjoy the game is to buy so you need to decide before you start to play this game, it is worth to join dso or maybe is better to pay a monthly subscription to a game that is not p2w or to buy a game that will be much cheaper of course it will be shorter but you can buy another if you get bored and it will still be cheaper to by games every month than to play dso.
    How do you think they can attract players from other games that are not p 2w in this game?
    I was like you i have consider that premium time worth and also devs worth to be payed , but i have seen there can be other solution i have found games thata are non pay to win where devs listen players , and i have splayed greedy games where devs dont listen palyers , introduced p2w stuff and now they are ill and will die because players left when they see p2w features in games.
    Do you ever ask yourself why servers like Agathon are ded?

    This is from wikipedia and explain better what i understand about p2w and also is something else not what you say there.
    maybe this will open your eyes to see how a free to play non pay to win game can have success.
    Pay to win is not about pvp is also pve.
    If i have better gems and runes bought with real money i farm more points than other player in the same unit of time and i will be fist place on leaderboard, i will take more prizes than him so i will be a pay to win (prizes . place, ) player.
    Wikipedia"""Pay-to-win mechanics[edit]
    In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items or downloadable content may be able to gain a significant advantage over those playing for free who, for example, would otherwise need to spend time progressing in order to unlock said items. Such games are called "pay-to-win" or "p2w" by critics. Market research indicates that pay-to-win mechanics are considered much more acceptable by players in China than in Western countries, possibly because Chinese players are more habituated to recurring costs associated with gaming, such as gaming café fees.[36]
    A common suggestion for avoiding pay-to-win is that payments should only be used to broaden the experience without affecting gameplay.[37] For example, games—such as ---, S--y, and ---—only allow the purchase of cosmetic items, meaning that a "free-to-play player" will be on the same level as a player who has spent money on the game.

    The pay to win concept can be variable from person to person, but in every cases DSO is one of the most P2w game.

    The fact that they have eliminate this advantage from pvp they just throw away your money you have invested in your account for about 30% of game content and that is for 80% of players that pay for game because i guess majority pay for arena so they take the hit directly.
    There is also 70% content and that is pve where we have competition, we have leaderboards and that is another part of the game where you will benefit from that pay 2 win gems and runes and also they add tonics elixirs and potions.

    I can tell you that is a ARPG game where i will "exile" myself that has new content every 4 months and it lives only with cosmetics transactions. And when i mean content is like a big BP patch hen they grow level cap and that is every 3-4 months.

    I don't think you need to guide me, i can find information on my own i think is time for you and many other from forum to break the vail and see beyond dso search on twitch and forums and you can find anything you desire.There you will also find the meaning of f2p and p2w games.

    If you like BP milking your money is your problem i,m not a BP cow from some time and i will never be again, i have learn my lesson.
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  15. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    i have no problem with pay2win as long as i can catch up to payers in a reasonable amount of time
  16. isthislove

    isthislove Forum Greenhorn

    Hei, im new to the forum. dunno where should i complain about r214.

    attack speed rune for 2h - 9% attack speed still not change. and rune of wisdom cant be store in item slot for keeping. ( i got 9 runes of wisdom, 5 slotted in current equipment- the rest of 4 cant be slot in unused item )
  17. Dirysin

    Dirysin Forum Apprentice

    Anacampseros herb is not showing up in any Durian map as being available.
  18. Zoltan

    Zoltan Junior Expert

    Seems to be pretty common herb. Agree that it does not show in quest guide but as long as you are on pain or excru map you will find it pretty quick
  19. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    make sure you're in the right map - I don't believe the post resistance command center maps count for this quest.
  20. ghostmagicus

    ghostmagicus Forum Pro

    You have to search on painfull or excrucianting, only these levels.

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