Development Team Letter - CLASS BALANCING

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  1. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    It has a cd of 1 minute ...... i mean i dont think you have seen anybody spamming it in pvp so it obviously has a cd ( unlike EA which has the same dmg.... logic)
     
  2. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    He is a tank, far from the best ones. But he enjoys the strength of the class and ofc he will deny that tank is way too strong, because then he becomes a mediocre char he really is. So he will claim any nonsense just to deny the fact tanks are OP. Now, at least, he says mages have issues. Some time ago he was claiming mages are noobs who don't know how to play.

    And the point is, dont waste your time to reply to such a nonsense))
     
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  3. UndergroundKiller

    UndergroundKiller Forum Expert

    Higher concentration cost (66, compared to 50 of destruction, if talented) and a really lower hitbox... And, tbh, EA deals less dmg (500% on marked enemies, 375% on non-marked enemies, if talented) then destruction (750%)
     
  4. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    the time you need to cast destruction equals 2 EA and after the first armor breaks the oppeonent you pretty much deal almost double dmg on destruction.Ive tested it with a friend who is a weaker than my mage ranger and he outdamages me so dont say that destruction is better.... on paper ye but in reality atack speed is a factor too. If destruction crits its ok i mean its really good but since its 1 single hit and even with 80 percent crit chance it may not crit while with other spels ( as we a re speaking of ea has 2 hits so higher chance to crit ). I dont think anyone should deny that the skill aint weak but strange ot use in a fast farming team
     
  5. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Destruction is a joke. Period. Not even worth mentioning. It is a useless skill and I would love it to be replaced by anything or completely redesigned. No one more or less serious is using it. Not in pvp, not in pve, it has some use on mobs but couldnt imagine a mage missing it. There are other skills to spend points on. You can hit someone with destruction on arena as an accident only. It is only second to chainlighting, another useless crap.
     
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  6. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    I don't have to prove anything to you, all I need is to improve my scores compared to my previus ones and since I'm not a 5yo crybaby, I'm not impressed nor I cry if anyone has better scores than mine.
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2018
  7. UndergroundKiller

    UndergroundKiller Forum Expert

    where did I say that?:confused:
     
  8. bLaind

    bLaind Forum Baron

    Give up on this one guys, he's a lost cause, there's no turning back for him.
     
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  9. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    At least i dont complain on every thread like you, i just put here my opinion, the fact that is different than yours don't mean that i should not write or someone should not read what i say.
    Nonsense is your begging to nerf a character and show what person are you, your hate against a class show your incapacity to bring other solution. Some time ago i have express the same thing.
    I don't need someone to have the same opinion as me just to understand that if we get nerf we will be very easy killed by rangers - and what then ? should we complain that Ranger should get nerf?
    The fact that i'm not so strong is because im not smart like you to spend zillion euros in this game or zilions hours and after few years to complain because i don't know what skills to use to kill a DK.
    Also keep in mind that play, pay and knowledge is not the same things.
    This game and developers deserve what they work for and i dont like to pay in excess for bugs bots and poor development that is why i, m not the best DK.
    So please find a solution for your problems, you are the greatest one on drakania world, the best mage i trust you to stop this nonsense nerf request.
    I wonder if your credibility will be the same if you throw away your gems and runes.
     
  10. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    what happened on this thread.... i mean ppl wanted a small buff, not smt huge .. then some retarded requests for nerfs happened, now bashing eachother.... I mean at the last 2 page i see SW and DK just flaming eachother.......why...... ,, are we in war now ? every one on his own?if so just nerf all calsses to the ground so when they have thread against them to unite like once on lv 40 and 45... gg community u f up once again.
     
  11. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master


    Whats happening here is not community's fault but BP for not listening and making empty promises for the past year.You cant expect people to come here and praise BP for doing a great job when the game is such a mess nowadays.The way i see it, the community did its part by supporting the game for this long , by playing it, sharing stuff about it on the media to help it grow...Its time for BP to do its part and provide us with a fair game for all, a game with a fair balance for all classes and a game without cheaters.I bellieve its time for this to happen because for the past year we had just the opposite.
     
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  12. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    So bulliyng other ppl just because they have different opinion can be justified and would make things any better?
    I'm sorry I'm old enough to not be engaged by this attitude and the best part is that the more someone shouts louder the lower are the chances anyone will listen to him.
     
  13. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    It's been longer than a year that BP has failed to listen or even implement what was promised. They don't even bother to come onto the forum (in an official capacity) and lie about listening any more.

    Even on the rare occasion where a community driven idea is implemented, it was after years of begging and pleading.
     
  14. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Those poor "victims" developers have lied for years to the players, so bullying them and treating them like dirt is justified, but they started all of this, they started treating players like dirt and destroyed any goodwill players had for them
    They sowed wind and now they are harvesting the fruits of their labour, which is storm
    Players are vindictive and vengeful, that's a good attitude to any wrong doing

    But once they'll listen the goodwill will probably be back


    They stopped the Bungie brand of damage control,at least they aren't lying to us anymore
    Thye stopped adding gasoline to the fire in the belief that gasoline extinguishes fires
     
  15. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Man, relax, everyone has an opinion and a right to have one. Not denying that. Our conversation was pointless in the first place as I assumed you are end game pro, all crafted, who grandmalshall-ish level of end game arena experience. You are not. And that's totally fine. Just say that. Say what levels you are talking about. Perhaps you missed it, but we were talking about extreme end game builds. And guess you missed it too, I do not deny that at beginner level/intermediate or whatever it is all different, and all in glass cannon mages might overcome not so strong yet DKs. If that's what you mean, say that.
    There might be imbalance on different levels, and different classes might have an edge.

    My point was, that at the very end game, at the extreme of builds with everything crafted, glyphed up, top gems and cutting edge runes including jesters, events and gnob ones, DK do have clear edge against mages. Would not comment about archers, there is a guy who can tackle that argument with ya)

    I finally gave up and accepted that I'm noob, as well as every other mage on the server including the Master level PVP mages. I'm noob who has no clue how to defeat equal tank. Even lower. Because they do regen it all. Because there are some conceptional issues with the % based regeneration which is impossible to balance mathematically speaking. Because if you balance it for a normal player assuming some regen, tanks will suck at lower than normal layer but mages will suck on higher than normal. If you balance it on low level, mages will suck. If you balance it on end game level, tanks will suck. That's it. But not a lot of ppl here can think mathematically and they start throwing nonsense arguments. Sometime opposite. One tank suggests go into hp build similar to a tank. You suggest that those mages make you laugh and mage should only go 2h all in damage.

    Nothing works though against a tank with my stats, and lower.

    Anyway, you, tanks, won. I gave up. Now I'm in your boat, playing DK myself. Gl.
     
  16. DBS-Flamelurker

    DBS-Flamelurker Exceptional Talent

    Ranger:

    - best evasive skills in the game -Adrenaline; Dive; Blade dance...-
    - better damage in the game -pve setQ7; pvp EA-
    - better defense than distance classes.

    War:

    - best defense in the game -gems and screams-
    - better stuns in the game -assault...-

    Dwarf:

    -better strategy in the game. - damage and dodge-
    -good even without critic.

    Mage:

    ...

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    War has healing, but no range.
    The problem is the mage, not the war. The Ranger has: more damage, more escape and more life than a mage.
    Why does the Ranger have more defense and evasion of the mage, if he has more damage?
    The war make 240% with its stronger attack, but at close range.
    The Ranger without marking 375% :cool:

    Solution: buff Mage. ;)
     
  17. Hetsunien

    Hetsunien Padavan

    Why people still complain about this? Mage has elemental damage in all skills, in other words, we need resistances instead of plain armor defense. Resistances are quite difficult to build without farming/spending diamonds. People always build their characters leaving resistances for last. Mages freeze in area and teleport instantaneously, they have other mechanics, like every class.
     
  18. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    generally if people complain for smt it means there is a reason.The problem is mage build<any other class s build... yesterday I wa thinking karra plus dragan and so on but no..... we are not good for bosses with this build and thus we are forced to have -6-7 k dmg than ither classes.... why ? if you can tell me why without making a a mob farming build only ( so you can be good on bosses) and that can allow you to do solo bosses as easy as the other classes than ppl will agree mages are busted op...... but im sure you cant since for 2 years nobody has managed....let me see you try tho im really interested
     
  19. IceMagician

    IceMagician Forum Greenhorn

    Maybe you are a bit wrong (and i say a bit only because i am really nice).
    You have said that mages have elemental dmg on their skills and like it is harder to get resistances than armor it is "normal" that they have less %dmg on their skills. Now go and see this thread.
    https://board-en.drakensang.com/threads/damage-type-per-skill-overview.70664/

    Ohhh, in the end all classes have elemental dmg skills. And even more, clases like rangers, wars or dwarfs have skills with 100% elemental dmg (rangers poison, dwarfs lightning and fire and wars fire). And when we go and see the skills of mages we see Meteor and Firebal 50/50 physical/fire dmg. GREAT!!!!! a FIREBALL with 50/50 and wars with 100% elemental (fire) skills. A great balance!!

    Mages don't have enough dmg to PvP and PvE. Our bassic skill on PvP is fireball and its dmg is ridiculous (126%). The rest of classes have much higher % on their skills so..... how can a mage be efficient. The other skills with dmg have LIMITED RANGE. It is not fair to have less HP, less travel speed (mages don't have adrenalin, shouts or tactical turrets), no regeneration, of course less %dmg in our skills and if we have a skill with good % it is with a limited range (ligthning stroke or ice sphere). Bravo!!

    This is not a problem only for PvP. We can't play as well as the rest on PvE. How can a mage kill a boss alone??? With fireball and its 126%??? If we get close to the boss to use ice sphere it is problably to be killed and with lightning troke it is imposible to hit a boss who is walking. So the final result is that we must kill bosses with firebal, so we spend more time and resources (essence) than the rest of the classes. And in PvE groups we have the same problem. Who is going to invite a mege to his group when dwarfs and rangers have skills with more than de double of the %dmg of mages skills. And even more, if you invite a mage, he will need to stay close to the boss to use his ice sphere and it will be probably that the mage will die. So it is no worthy to invite mages and for this reason they are rejected from groups, from events and from everything.

    Absolutely a fair game!!
     
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  20. Arr

    Arr Forum Expert

    balancing pvp is as simple as making different stats for pve and pvp (pve damage on pvp is ridiculous) and fixing spam mages
     
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