Do you agree with nerf for q7 set for rangers?

Bigpoint [EDIT] again rangers, 5-6 years rangers are the lowest race for farm,
and for couple monts they was good as dwarfs but after dwarfs USED BUG from 2 years everybody searching dwarfs and after 2 years they Fix it and now they start crying cuz they see ranger is stronger than them now. Why you think that is fair? One char to be stronger than other with SAME ithems and SAME stones, i heard everyting starts from english forum for nerting q7 set for rangers and i ask you WHY ??? They make us now to hit from 2.10 speed 7 rockets like we was with 1.77 speed , THAT IS CUT OF 2 BREAKPOINTS OF SPEED, and other chars have 3 seconds and mage have 8 seconds, IF U NERF ONLY 1 CHAR MAKE BALANCE ON OTHER CHARS TOO OR DONT DO NOTHING. Make Rangers good for farm again its hard to build all ithems and then to fix set wich we worked for it. Make bonus set 3 seconds again for farm, for arena you can make it 2 seconds !!! PEACE!!!

 

so much cry for little nerf .. ranger q7 is still strongest by far

lets see mage version
60 sec cooldown = 9sec 150% dmg and nothing more so clearly 9sec per minute or 22,5% dmg increase

rangers:
12 sec cooldown = 2sec 150% dmg and ability to spam ea withou cost 12sec means you get bonus 5x/min and that means 10sec per minute
or 25% damage increase ... oh wow nerfed bonus is still far stronger ?

did i mentioned you have talent for 40% chance to avoid cooldown ... ( basically reducing it to 7,2sec on average)
meaning bonus will be 16,6 sec/minute = 41,65% dmg bonus ... damn almost twice than mage.

lets not forged also tiny fact : mage get only raw damage increase not ability to spam any skill for free

to make q7 set balanced between ranger and mage you have to nerf it to 1sec and also remove concentration reduction
soo be happy nerfhammer hit you so softly and instead crying go sit silently in corner praying to whatever god you have
to avoid further nerfs
thanks

 

for so long time more players didnt add rangers to group and finaly it happend becaz of q7 set , and who help ranger get all these matery ? we farm solo and finaly ask big guy for help kill lvl 3 or 4 boss , befor q7 set i cant even kill grimmag lvl 1 now i can kill him
all other chars can kill any boss whit any item , give our 3 sec bonus back , make it for 2 sec in PVP

well q8 set for MAGES are so op why dont nerf it ?? they spaming like machene gun never ending 100% die , so yesterday i lose with doing 0 hits it becaz " explosive arrow " dont explode its ok , tank ground braker stun and 2x dmg explode !

 

What you are forgetting for mage you can use singularity to decrease cool down to maybe 10 seconds. Your point is missing crucial information at least for pve. The big difference that really makes it better again for mage is that they can spam fireball like it costs nothing all the time with that set. What I think is instead of nerfing why can't any class be made stronger.

Fireball with q7 set can be done 20-30 times in a row or infinite depending on attack speed. I thought they were balanced in first place and I play dk. Only thing that I agree with is that ranger should hit target in order to explode.

 

You forgot to mention that mages do not need to proc q7 set buff to spam fireballs.

So,with that logic,the set should grant -40 concentration on EA permantly and a buff for 2 seconds.That seems nice.We would not need to proc q7 set buff to spam EA.Just nice.

Q7 set just nerfs rangers in pve more than pvp.That's why rangers are not happy about that nerf.

 

-DeathRaider- : yes thats true but only in rare cases when you can stand in it withou moving ( with squishiest class in game) +also waste precious skill (or stand close to monsters LOL) .. in such case you reduce cooldown to 30sec ( singularity) making dmg bonus equal to ranger after nerf .. still missing manafree spam

Redkiller12 : seems you missed we talk about pve all time fireballs even free are useless in pve splash is almost nonexistant and well ... 126% dmg is comparable to 100% zero cost magic missile with far better casting speed( fireball is actually one of slowest skill in game)

- haha nice try ... tell me one reason why should +-500% dmg EA get massivelly reduced cost to be balanced with 126 % fireball balance would mean like -10 conc for precise shot ( 150% x2 vs marked = so more than twice fireball damage )

yes q7 nerfed rangers in both pve and pvp but for pvp = ea nerf for pve q7 nerf EA spam is unbalanced in pve dont try to lie you know it they created skill with unbalanced damage % limiting its use by very high conc cost q7 remove this cost and thats why its broken ea + q7 is basically must for every ranger unless they want severely fall behind and thats wrong .. there should be other choices with equal gain not one unbalanced set and rest forgotten

also ea +q7 fail is reason why are rangers near top of dps charts together with dwarves far ahead 2h dk and mages

ImTheHero
EA not exploding is best thing they done in recent expansion ... now you have to actually skillhit enemy not just shot somewhere near
making your gameplay equal to for example cursed fireball (just with 4x its damage ) now ea actually equire some skill and aim not just random spam

for mage q8 id say yes nerf it but its not that strong as it looks all it does is transform ice missile to three missiles for 30% damage if someone hit you with magic missile ( 100% dmg) you get even more damage just withou slow
30% is very low coefficient ... mage might be like machine gun but he have to hit you 17x to match single EA hit
if someone kill you with just few shots from ghis spam it means hes much stronger than you and would probably 1-2hit you with fireball or magic missile even withou q8

also it divide one shot into three and thats very bad for dk with lifekeeper ... but yes would be nice if they made q8 ice missile as slow as default one because yes its abused expecially to mass kill weaker people

 

It's what q7 set gives to you.You have a 62,5% mana reduction on fireball,so if you want no bonus concentration reduction in q7 set buff,then the EA should get a 62,5% concentration reduction too,which makes the skill cost 24,75 Concentration points.

P.S. About the topic,i would like the bonus to stay 3 seconds in pve and in pvp only 2 seconds.It's just a huge nerf in farming,we become even more "unwanted" in fatal and infernal modes.

 

you know befor lvl 50 come ranger just green and red arrow , i have skill , i mean i dont have time mages just spam q8 set ice get freeze and die .. and they can stun me anytime without skill just we have tagert net you know make it 2 sec in pvp , but in pvE 3 sec fair enough!

 

redkiller : once more you cry about pve ... mage has cost reduction on his weakest pve skill costing mana
why the hell should EA get that reduction ... and not some similar skill next to useless in pve

ok then lets nerf ea damage by 3/4 making it on par with fireball and give you similar cost reduction

same bonus for 4x stronger skill isnt balance in practice its 4x stronger bonus

 

anolajen, EDIT, i only talk the truth im sure u not will talk to me that brave in real but whatever, if bigpoint want to make nerf make it on pvp 2 seconds for net and 3 seconds AGAIN for PVE, 5-6 years we are the EDIT class, now when is 2 seconds its impossible to play on infernal bosses even with 3-4x gold bonuses on ithems, so dont speak shi.t. I have message for bigpoint if some admin read this please send them this topic for all rangers wich played to get this sets and now we feeling exploated to buy this set and cant afford the normal damage we should get. Make Again q7 set 3 seconds for PVE and if u want make it 2 seconds for Arena NO PROBLEM for this.

 

you all time count with idea nerf was supposed to be pvp only thats your problem ... q7 was overpowered in both pve and pvp ... rangers got very strong in pvp actually rank 1 dmg class after dwarf fix thats why you got duration nerf and not only ea explosion rework
they just tried to balance set in pve and i bet another nerf comes soon or later because its not enought

most people probably agree with me except few butthurt rangers who embrace every way how be above rest ... its similar as dwarfs who defended essence bug and called for dmg increase

 

Stop spam please, you are ridiculous mate, i know and im sure 99% of mages maked this, and i will tell you why, because on 50LVL everybody want dwarfs and if they add mage nobody kicked it, but rangers was crap and everybody kicked them, and now you are jelaous cuz you are in the situation wich rangers was on 50lvl now everybody wants dwarfs again but and rangers with q7 and if they see mage they kicked it, thats why you are jelaous kid spamming here. Go out of this post.

 

seems like personal attacks and still zero ... really zero arguments why should be nerf reverted maybe because in any rational point of view or formula is ranger q7 bonys by far strongest even after nerf ?
maybe go find some valid and rational reason why should current strongest dps class get buff to highest damage spammable skill in game get buffed back to even more broken version maybe you can then show this argument to developers to rethink it thats all i am asking from first post till now theres zero arguments why just pointless cry based on "omg i am weaker than before nerf fix it " sorry but i think arguments comparing to other class sets and proving nerf was wrong and justification for revert is foundation of any suggestion like this.
not biased poll with opposite question than thread name ( not ot mention you can make 100accounts to vote lol )

 

So you want EA to become a skill that does 150% total damage to a marked enemy with a 66 concentration that it's a lot harder now to hit than fireball...And,no im not crying,im complaining.

Many years rangers were not welcome in hard modes because they didn't deal a lot of damage. When they actually did,1-2 months only with the 55 expantions,everyone is like "Oh my god,rangers deals a lot of damage,a lot more than dwarfs,plz nerf."Why should dwarfs always be the most dealing damage class?And if you are a mage and you think that mages are not welcoming in groups,then suggest some options to improve your character in pve,not saying that rangers are op.....

Lol,no comment...

I want to make clear that i do not want mages to be nerfed,not at all,i want them to be buffed for pve reasons as well as rangers.
Also,I'm not complaining about the explotion removal,but the whole changes to EA that were not said in the patch notes..

 

it wasnt me who started with fireball cost reduction in PVE discussion fireball can be free or even give mana .. it has nothing to do with pve due to miserable dmg animation and almost non existant aoe

however ea is best pve damage source for ranger so pve wise
rangers have reduction mages dont lets call it "balance lol " ( balance would be reduction only on pvp skill for both = definitely not explosive)

raw damage bonus per minute after nerf is comparable to mage (lets ignore all disadvantages mage have from standing in vortex to achieve this)

so where is reason to buff it to 3sec again ?
having best q7 isnt enought you want more? sounds like spoiled kid complaining about having just two times more candies than others instead three times more

and why should rangers be the best damage dealing class? only because you play it?
as i see both q7 ranger and dwarf are OP in dps compared to dk and mage both classes got nerfed and both are still above average .... just closer to average
also both classes together cry on forum requesting buff because they dont want balance but be better than others with same effort

basically ... you have still best q7 and crying to get it even 50% better for absolutely no reason
(even after nerf ranger stand on 1-2 place in dps together with dwarf )

so maybe stop repeating self and
say single valid reason why should be ranger buffed from above average to top dps again especially due to buffing best q7 set to even stronger q7 set

because thats probably only thing that person responsible for balancing need hear instead those complains based on nothing

 

The only thing i don't want is making ranger weaker and weaker all the time.The whole rel nerfed rangers really hard.I want to say that,balancing a class means nerfing and boosting it.Not hardly nerfing it.Let's forget about the changes for EA and the set.Can the devs at least buff some other skill,like Deadly blow or Scatter shot or Thicket of thorns,which are pve skills?Nerfing EA like that to deal less dmg and deal less AOE dmg impacts rangers that are not using Q7 set too.Those RA are not op,they're actually average too.

 

Redkiller12 = this is actually smartest thing you said in this topic iam not directly against buffing ranger but q7 nerf is definitely step in right way and main idea of this topic is to revert it
problem with most suggestions is however they would make rangers abusing q7 even stronger thats why they wont get implemented class is always judged by strongest combination for example mage can avoid q7 by exchanging it for dragan or new moon set (yes q8 should get some nerf pvp wise and fireball mana cost from q7 too both are trying to buff useless skills in pve but pve wise they stay useless and are abused in pvp = thats probably why no one care because pvp in dso is crap with almost zero attention anyway )

this should be same for all classes situation where you have weak rangers withou q7 and OP ones with q7 is asking for nerf and thats probably why you got it as well as reason why its erfed q7 and not EA itself ... this way it wont hurt those rangers who dont abuse unbalanced set

i think far more constructive would be some solid discussion how buff ranger withou increasing damage of q7+ ea abusers in such case i will gladly agree
because ideas on forum to buff them seems mostly just random shower thoughts that would be useless or broken

 

I would like the mage to be nerfed finally, because the q7 and q8 set are broken the way they work, and as long as they nerfed the q7 set for the ranger, I expect the same to happen for the mage too, in both sets. Other reason is because for once, they will see how it feels your class to be nerfed as the rangers over and over.

EDIT

If a top class dk dies from a ranger, obviously the ranger is a top class as well. A set by itself for a class like a ranger doesn't make you better if you have zero skills to play the class. On the other hand, a set for a mage, it makes you better even if you don't have any skills to play the class. You only need to spam missiles and fireballs. The enemy will still get damage, even if you shoot beside him. But yeah, that is all funny for you people. The ranger is not as you can't accept that this class got for a while something to make him again decent enough.

Little nerf here, little nerf there since years, the ranger is totally EDIT thanks to all of those who are crying around because they are weak, because they can not play etc.

I could say more things about all that, but what's the damn point? BP doesn't care if it doesn't have to do about nerfing the ranger, the SM and the DK, and the mages will always and forever putting themselves into the victims position, declaring how weak they became with the nerf and more EDIT like that. S(h)ame old story.

 

Llogos : if you read posts above you will se that mage damage bonus is 50%-100% effective as hunter one depending on situation ( and far weaker in pve due to missing cost reduction)
so only part that might deserve nerf is fireball cost ( pvp only = not valid for this topic)

ranger is nerfed over and over ? please ... dwarf had huge nerf in last month ... dk ... well we all know good old time when were dks top class withou any question

mage got secretly nerfed now in 194 and is withou doubt on 3rd place in pve dps


for pvp ice missile isnt as broken as it seem on strong mage its 100% dmg or 3x30% with q8 fireball is 126% of course mage have to spam it to be usefull ... he doesnt have any 500% dmg explo to 1hit
also fireball, magic missile, ice missile all doesnt deal any damage unless they directly hit that was only case of pre 194 ea if you get hit outside of your position its time to check your connection ... you have probably some delay

little nerf little nerf and ranger after huge dwarf nerf rule pve ... lol ...then you get one little nerf and go spam forum demanding revert sad isnt it ? even dwarfs made less drama from that huge essence nerf

even after q7 nerf ranger belongs to 1st or 2nd place withou doubt from 4 ... so yes completely weak and useless now LOL how about saving those heartbreaking stories until ranger geat really underpowered not 2nd best

actually two weak classes cry less than two top.. not victimize self ... interesting huh ?

 

Do you even know the difference between a NERF and a BUG? Dwarf shouldn't have so much dmg with turrents to begin with. So what do you mean nerfing? It's a bug in the game that got fixed.