Dwarf - Things to improve

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  1. bojsha

    bojsha Someday Author

    Hi all,
    Dwarfs are not done right, the main problem with them is: low armor, low dmg on quick shot (60% base), heavy shot to slow :( and has cooldown. :eek:

    Now, BP needs to step things up with them or they are a dieing breed in Drakensang online, am not gonna play with it once the event is over, gonna delete it ... Ranger is 10 times better and no cooldown on precision shot, any class is better then dwarf to be honest. :p

    To improve:
    Quick Shot does 70% of base dmg
    Heavy Shot faster and no cooldown efect
    A little bit more armor, couse dwarfs are tough and they make armor in Drakensang so question : Why do they have low armor? o_O
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  2. Ayuca

    Ayuca Forum Connoisseur

    cause nobody likes them and they die like flys :D.

    but to be serios. quick shot could be more dmg but that heavy shot get fast + no cooldown i am totally against it. it caused heavy dmg, so its alright that its slow. other classes also dont hit very often with their strong attacks.
  3. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    I think they are ok. Quick shot is.. a quick shot and as such it shouldn't be expected to deal massive damage. But I do think it should deal 70% of base damage instead of 60%. I don't think the cooldown on Heavy Shot should be removed. That skill would be OP if it could be cast faster.

    As for the armor, nah.

    DKs have their high defenses and healing.
    Rangers have their burst damage and medium defense.
    SWs have their quick mana regen and quicker skill cooldowns.

    And Dwarves... they have choices in their talents:
    1. They can be hit-n-runners. They have an extra 5% travel speed and my level 10 dwarf has more travel speed than my main. (extraordinary boots gave me 10% total travel speed... which is sad. Low level gear outmatching my main's Dark Boots)
    2. They can be more tanky. Choose the +15% armor talent and stand their ground while they deal some crazy damage.

    They also have really fast cooldowns and stacking effects. Like one talents helps another and etc etc... Turrets reducing cooldowns... turrets slowing run speed... bombs doing 50% more damage... using 2 turrets at once... good runners because hard to be chased when they keep laying down oil slicks.

    Can choose to keep the stun chance on Heavy Shot or make it hit 3 times. I prefer the stun chance. You see the original Heavy Shot does 95% of base as phys damage and then the bomb explodes to deal 150% of base. Which equals a total of 245% of base damage as physical damage. If you choose 3 shot salvo talent... you hit 95% 3 times which is 285% of base as phys damage. I prefer stun chance over 40% more damage done because that stun chance is 25% of course.

    With that they can be pretty scary... especially because they can deal some decent damage. Think about it... this one attack that has 3 second cooldown and can be reduced by 1 second for each attack with Mechanical Turret can stun you while dealing damage and leave you vulnerable to more attacks. Which means that... if you're stunned turret attacks you and reduces cooldown of the skill that stunned you... by the time the stun is over 1/4 chance you get stunned again and if Dwarf has C14 ready... pretty much 100% chance.

    So really, I think they can be pretty annoying to fight against. The main reason people are having trouble is because they haven't seen a role model play the class they way it should be played :) Once someone gets it right, other people will fall in line and do the same thing. That's when you will hate to fight against this class.

    They are the most annoying in a group fight... super annoying. Especially for DKs.
  4. Superme

    Superme Forum Pro

    Dwarves are more of a concept to me than something practical. When you compare the skills to that of the other classes, they dont stack up. I mean you skill is more speed or armour, or finding stuff, give me a break. They need to be taken back to the drawing board now that they have "piloted" and be improved.
  5. bojsha

    bojsha Someday Author

    Dwarfs are weak.
  6. dragons

    dragons Active Author

    As a Dwarf you have to press much more skills, comparing to other classes.
    The Dwarf's are support class and I was waiting for something liek this.
    They have distractions, CC, and more you fight them, the more strong they become.
  7. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    DKs have real trouble with them. My DK does at least... always chasing them around for like half an hour lol. They run pretty fast.. IMO they're more elusive than mages. But ranged characters can kill them easily.
  8. ~IceAngel~

    ~IceAngel~ Junior Expert

    Dwarfs have nice damage the point is to level to and use the two cannons..Speaking of have you guys noticed the cannon machine gun does x4 your attack speed and decent damage now imagine 2..

    Also i think the reason people think is weak because no one has got one to lv45 with all uniques and legendaries as they are used to. I bet at lv45 with all those nice items they would be just as strong as any other class.
  9. partycrasherforever

    partycrasherforever Forum Apprentice

    dwarves r a strong class provided u know how to play with them......i think tht armor break and heavy shot together r too op,, nerf them
  10. bojsha

    bojsha Someday Author

    I forget to metion, my dwarf is 28lvl and does not have armor brake ability. Just try playing Storm the Fortress with dwarf it's hell'ish realy, but I did manage to get 18k honor from 9 battle's with a lot of dieing. I dont stand a chance vs mage or ranger couse of slow heavy shot and low dmg on quick shot ... bombs dont work, they just jump or teleport, stun slow also ... they are weak, very weak.
  11. NightWalker

    NightWalker Board Analyst

    Dwarves are weak? you don't know how to use it then or you never saw a good one. you C14+heavy shot with talent combo. use shrapnel shot so no one can enter the area. Use mechanical turret reduce CD time. recovery talent really good. Talent tree +5% travel speed, +20 steam. You don't know how to use a dwarf, they need a nerf not a buff!
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  12. bojsha

    bojsha Someday Author

    Let me ask you something: Did u read my full post or just last sentenc "they are weak"? o_Ocouse I have whriten that I do not have brake armor ability yet, that means am below 30lvl, +20 steam is on lvl 35 and shrapnel shot is on 32lvl I think :rolleyes: an not sure.

    rangers on 28-30lvl have 2x armor dwarf has, even mage has more ... so it realy hard to play pvp on that lvl, and I know how to use it - they are just weak.

    So I ges some want them to be even weaker like you, couse you want easy kills in pvp match, I always hated guys that pray on the weak even in arena, I never do it with my main.

    Edit: Did I mntion that dwarfs have realy low range? o_O
    duble hand wapons are bad couse I lose 40% armor.
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2013
  13. partycrasherforever

    partycrasherforever Forum Apprentice

    of course u will die easily ,u r pvping with people tht have been lvl 28 for a while and have better gear, i met a few dwarves in lvl 40 range and event with low fame they were strong,but in 5v5 they rule....using oil ,5% speed ..seriously any good player can make a dwarf capture all flags or a mean defender
  14. bojsha

    bojsha Someday Author

    maybe on high level but n low level it's realy not strong :( 1 hit from mage with fireball and am dead ... 1 hit from ranger with precision shot and one green arrow am dead and he can constantly fire thouse and its fast fireing unlike dwarf who can not fire 2 heavy shot, one after a nother.

    I would more like that heavy shot does not have cooldown and was fast fireing just like ranger precision shot but with lower dmg like 200% then how it is now with 285% dmg.

    EDIT: How about, remove cooldowm on heavy shot, lower the damage to 200%, faster fireing and let it cost 30 steam. So we at low level have a fighting chance.
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2013
  15. Wiggles

    Wiggles Active Author

    Rangers, Mages and, Steam mechanicus can shoot at stuff and move away. DragonKnights need more armor because they go in up close. Crafting some extro' and cyanite is they way to go.

    Haven't pvp'd. It's all about developing techniques. Learn some nice combo moves and you'll find SM's ain't weak. Soloed bosses up to the herald with just green essence.
  16. bojsha

    bojsha Someday Author

    I got no space in inventory from the quest items to craft anything, and cant farm that much cynite.
    What combo? with what, crapy skills? dwarf is done wrong ... :mad:
  17. Wiggles

    Wiggles Active Author

    Okay rage quit, problems solved for you. everyone else will just keep on having a good time:p
  18. bojsha

    bojsha Someday Author

    True, am not having a good time with dwarf, I hate it.
  19. kagusa

    kagusa Forum Greenhorn

    DK never can reach my dwarf....but another range type is nightmare lol my language
  20. NightWalker

    NightWalker Board Analyst

    The best suggestion is for you to quit using a dwarf since apparently you hate it and you don't know how to use it. It is done perfectly right.
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