Essence damage explained

Hi, can you explain why at Destructor with blu ess I have 2500 damage, and with red 5000 damage ?


Explain this.

 

I can explain it very simply. Blue ess adds 100% damage. Red ess adds 300% damage. Correct? If so, then...

With blue... 100% (your normal damage) + 100% = 200%

With red.... 100% (your normal damage) + 300% = 400%

2 x 200% = 400% (double damage)

Using red ess vs using blue ess doubles your damage. This is how it is supposed to work.

 

I dont see any issues. What kind of damage were you expecting to have?

Edit: see multi-sev's post above; his explanation is my understanding as well.

 

base dmg : 1250

blue = +100% meaning 1250 + 1250 = 2500
red = +300% meaning 1250 + 3750 (3*1250) = 5000

-> explained

 

Base dmg 1250.
Critical damage 220%
Critical hit rate 3000, so:

With green ess and critical impact it should be: 1250 x 220 % = 2750 damage.
With blue ess and critical impact it should be: 2500 x 220 % = 5500 damage.
With red ess and critical impact it should be : 5000 x 220% = 11000 damage.

Beacause it's written in the description of characters that damage increases with critical impact hit by % of critical damage.
Damage is shown as white colour and critical impact is shown with yellow colour.

Also Greg should see the drop:
http://s1349.photobucket.com/user/Idiocracy7/media/Destr 568_zpsemzdkptg.png.html

Still white items in drop

And at the minute 11:30 from the movie you see that the bomb don't explode every time, so it's another "bug", like the "damage bug" ( both of them are not bugs BP wants it to be so, beacause BP wants us to consume more essences and more money ).

 

didn't see the entire vid because it jammed at me, but the following I've certainly seen.

green : 3100 dmg
blue : 5800 dmg
red : 10700 dmg

thus ... ???

 

What i see is:

For critical hits precision shot:
Green: 3000
Blue: 5300-5600
Red: 10800

For critical hits with deadly blow:
Green: 1200
Blue: 2200-2300
Red: didnt see you use it with red.

For critical hits with normal arrow:
Green: 600
Blue: 1100
Red: 2200

These values make perfect sense.

 

Damage is shown with white colour, critical impact with yellow colour.
I will make another movie, a much shorter one and will change from green , to blue, to red and then youll see.

With green I'm, 1300 damage, should be 2750 with impact.
Blue 2500 damage, should be 5500 with impact.
Red 5000 damage, should be 11000 with impact.

Damage is shown with white colour, critical impact is yellow colour, don't confuse them pls.
I repeat my self :It's written in the description of characters that damage increases with critical impact hit by % of critical damage.
Damage is shown as white colour and critical impact is shown with yellow colour.
And in the descriptions off essences it's written ( increases damage with with 100 % for blue and with 300% for red the damage against monsters ! ), damage, not critical impact.
It's like playng without critical impact ....

And tnx to the mod, who made this topic.

 

As I can see you have no basic understanding of the game mechanics.
White color or yellow color it doesn't matter ... everything is damage.
Essences apply the damage to your base damage.
if your base damage is 1000 you will hit 2000 with the blue essences ... with red essences you will hit 4000 ...
(1000 base damage+(1000+1000+1000))
critical damage is applied to your base damage only when you score a critical hit. If you have 200% critical damage ... when scoring critical hit you get:
with blue essences: 2000+200% = 2000+(1000+1000)=4000
with red essences: 4000+200% = 4000+(1000+1000)=6000

 

???

white hits are the non-crit hits, yellow are the crit hits. A crit hit is not white + yellow, it's just yellow alone.

for crit hits I saw :
green : 3100 dmg
blue : 5800 dmg
red : 10700 dmg

This is perfect in alingment with your own calculation.

Not sure if this is the misunderstanding or not. But otherwise I don't understand you.

 

Promise I'll make a shorter movie, critical impact it's not damage.

--MERGED--

"A crit hit is not white + yellow, it's just yellow alone."

Then why sometimes I hit both white and yellow at the same time ?

 

You either have a poison attack, or some other attack going, at the same time as the other attack... or, you're seeing the ranger-bug bounce-back of an arrow going through the target two times and one is counted as critical while another is not.

Any way you slice it, the above comments are correct. A yellow hit is a critical hit, a white hit is a non-critical hit. They are not added up to produce your critical attack damage. (All the damage from a critical hit is in the yellow number.) The two numbers you see are two separate attacks. Whatever those are, one is a critical hit and the other is not.

 

I know, and i only looked at the yellow numbers (crit hits) when writing down those numbers.

Trakilaki, I always thought that the CD from a crit hit was applied first, and then the % from the essences over the result. But what you re saying is that both are applied over the basedamage only and then summed up. Are you sure about that?

 

Question for you, how much damage I have, or should have:
http://s1349.photobucket.com/user/Idiocracy7/media/p3_zps56039ed1.png.html?sort=3&o=6

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As you wrote there it should be minimum 785 + 3050 without ess ?
With quiver 785 + 5314 ?

 

Vid stalled at the end so didn't see red ess.

But in general, You're not accounting for any armor reductions.

To compute average expected damage use your MEDIAN damage. Not your min or max. Add min and max together and divide by 2 to get the median.

Then you multiply that times the Armor reduction.

If you wanted to know your expected crit dmg: Median*(1-Armor reduction)*crit dmg%

If you toss in Blue: 2(Median*(1-Armor reduction))*crit dmg%

Destructor has about 60% armor reduction

Without Ess if your MEDIAN is 1250: (1250*.4)*220%

With Blue: 2(1250*.4)*220%

With Red: 4(1250*.4)*220%

To get the actual numbers you are seeing you would then need to multiply those answers by the type of shot(precision or hunting arrow) percentages. .6 for Hunting arrow and 1.25 for Precision. And double it all for a marked target.

Final answer with red ess: 4(1250*.4)*220%*1.25=5500. Your Median is around 1140 to get 5000 dmg with red on destructor, 570 if he is marked.

 

From what I understand, essences affect your base damage directly. All other calculations occur after that, using your new (essenced-up) base damage.

 

I have tested this many times. Essance increases you base damage both the bottom number and the top number.

ie 100-150
green +35
135-185
blue
200-300
purple war
300-450
red destruction
400-600

with purple your max is higher that a low red
with blue you max is same as min purple.

All skills and criticals are based off that

 

No man I am not 100% sure but ... but it is not important ... i was giving just a plain example that essences apply to base damage.

It is not important how much damage you have. You were asking about essences and damage ... or were you ... to be honest i don't know what you are asking.
in the calculation you should include, base damage, essences damage, critical damage amount, % damage of an particular skill ... etc.
About your question ... you are able to see multiple numbers at same time ... well consider the fact that you have almost 2.00 attack speed ... which means you land almost 2 hits per second ... it is normal to see multiple numbers at same time ... because every hit has number animation which have specific time duration. So you can see another number before the previous one is gone.
As for the video ... i could only spot multiple numbers only when your wolves were attacking and you were shooting at same time.

Yes ... base damage have maximum and minimum value .... but to avoid this ... you should remove all your gear including weapon. Then you get one flat value for the base damage ... without minimum and maximum.
This is the best way to test it.