folly of doing pvp with a mage

So it must be my imagination when in 5v5 I get caught in singularities and killed by three fireballs? Go back to the drawing board. Your character obviously needs work. Or maybe your timing is off. I think you're not doing something right, because a good SW can kill me if she tries hard enough.

 

this is not about my character. jesus, what is wrong with you people? go read my post one more time

 

DK is more affected by the level 35 Fame talent because they need stuns. Mages don't rely on stuns nearly as much as DKs do.

I'm a Mage, as you can tell by my very old avatar, and I barely stun in PvP.

In 1v1, it is mostly an off screen battle (for whatever reason), I have always preferred in-screen fighting but I can't stop them from running into a corner and trying to snipe me.

In 3v3, no one likes 1v1-ing. They all run right back to their teammates in hopes of backup. Strength in numbers I guess. And even here, people like shooting from afar, and it is a bad idea, tactically, to move towards them. Stuns don't have the range to hit them.

In 5v5, there is much chaos. Everyone is running somewhere; god knows where, they don't. Someone will always try to steal your flag and you need to have your stuns handy to kill them.


You should use your stuns to force your opponent to waste his/her debuffs. That way, you can trap them in a Singularity and kill. One of your stuns, Frost Nova, is your debuff and it is a bad idea to use it as a stun. (unless you are sure that the enemy will be dead before they get to take advantage of the situation)
So, how can you force enemy to use 2 debuffs when you only have Frost Wind? Use your Fireballs burn. Few players are strong enough to brush Fireballs burn aside, and most will debuff it.

That is where us mages stand in level 35 Fame PvP. You can no longer expect to stun someone and deal damage for the time they are helpless... because they most likely will not be helpless.


=== Off topic ===
Geobli, again, I understand what you're saying. But you are changing the very meaning of agility. Just because mage has quicker cooldown on Teleport doesn't make it agile. Teleport is not a means of transportation. Although, the other classes aren't all that much agile, mage is certainly the least.

 

What ever...

Going in circles is boring.

 

Well, that's something I can get behind. We're all entitled to our opinions; let you keep yours and I keep mine. See ya around, and cheers for this friendly debate.

 

It really depends on your levels.
Once you have liberation dk can't really kill you if you use your skills correctly. You just need to keep your distance, ice missiles and fireball and teleport when needed. Teleportation is your only real escape, so use it well.
Rangers on the other hand is much harder imo since you can get 2 hitted, so being able to dodge their skills is really important. Fireball has a greater radius than arrow so your chances of hitting them is higher, throw in a fireball when they attack. Hit and run, dont get greedy.

sw isn't weak at all... not sure your level, i'm a low -mid lvl pvper. For lvl30, try having 450+attack, 1.6+attack speed, 1100+ armor, 3k+ hp, 600 resist. You will see they are quite powerful. I'm working on my lvl 30 ranger 550attack (goal is over 650), 55%armor, 45%resist, 3.5khp, but am still losing to sw that hits over 1k per fireball.

FYI i have both skoto ranger and sw. I think sw are easier to play than rangers, but rangers are definitely more fun.

 

The problem isn't your class, it's your gems. Buy more and you will pwn the battlefield.

 

I read your post three or four times before I posted. Your claim of "the best of us being killed" makes me think you include yourself in that group as being "the best". Think again. Top Spellweavers, with good talent and skill use, can kill any class in the game most effectively. My GM, Harra, on Agathon isn't complaining about being under-equipped to compete in PvP. Neither are any of the other Spellweavers in my guild. No one else in this thread is complaining, either. Seems like you're the only one complaining your SW is not good at PvP. That indicates what the actual problem is, doesn't it?

 

dude, can you in earnest say that a ranger with the same gear and everything cannot kill a mage with 2 shots? that being said and accepted no matter how much you gainsay, look at how each character evolved after the lvl cap. now warriors have aoe skills just like mages. now warriors and rangers have healing skills while mages have stuns. if stuns are reversed mages are disadvantaged. now go figure how that is connected with my character. as the saying goes, stay away from the ones who dont even know how silly they are. so please refrain from posting comments to my thread. u r just annoying babbling about urself and ur guild members

 

Rangers don't have healing skills. That talent you are probably referring to is viable neither in PvE nor PvP. Even if someone would abstain from the 60% Deathstrike damage (which is a no-brainer, really) the healing would be far from comparable to the DK's abilities, because the wolves are obviously frail, easy to CC and deal pitiful damage.

 

Lordcl, you either have a weak mage, or you were in the unfortunate situation of fighting other players armed with credit cards haha. Seriously now, have you played 5vs5 or 6vs6? And have you seen the crazy damage mages deal in a match? That's the power of mages, DAMAGE, not stuns. DK is the class that absolutely needs the stuns, since they have no ranged atack. Question for you: can a DK hit a ranger or mage without stunning first? Very unlikely. Cuz that's what all classes are about, hit&run. Against credit card warriors, even me, as a DK, I had to first find an opening to atack, then retreat, then find opening again.

 

Sorry if you're sore about it, but the last I checked this is a free opinion forum. I have expressed my opinion without, to my knowledge, trolling. If I was trolling, the mods would take care of it with a warning or by editing my posts. They have not done that. If you want me to stop posting, I guess you'll have to ask a Mod to close the thread or you will have to delete it. Otherwise, tough Titicaca!

Once you post a thread here, it's open to any person's opinion. You can't limit who is allowed to post in a thread once it's open. "Your" thread is not a dictatorship.

And, finally, to reiterate: The only person who has even partially agreed with you in this thread only has a level 23 SW. Your argument does not hold water with the vast majority of players.

 

nor do i want to know about u and ur boys and how strong u are and bla bla.
how can u turn everything into you and me matter? anyway enough with your trolling as you put it. i dont want to know about u and ur boys no more.
i usually do 3 vs 3. my mage is a decent mage. but i think one problem is this game itself. i lvled fast to 45 lvl and all so that i could do pvp ( mind u other games work that way) but here if you are 45 lvl without 40 lvl fame you are screwed. this is redicous beyind all counts. i came to this game to do a bit of pvp. all i am doing is grinding now.
about mages being weak. i m on grimmag. there, during 3 vs3 s rangers run for mages first, DKs run for mages first. i never seen a ranger run after a DK first. and how would you explain that? this is an unwritten rule of the game that mages are easy to kill

 

So there we have it. Since you leveled fast to 45, most of your gear is crappy at best, which means that your charater is weak for its level. By getting to 45 you chose to fight people who have been at level 45 far longer than you have been, and have gathered way better gear than you have, and have way more gems than you have. So it does not matter which class you play, you character is weak because he is new and not a credit card warrior. Gear up, find a decent skull and report after that if you are still getting bear-mauled in the arena.
As for people hunting down spellweavers first, it's called strategy. If you could get rid of one enemy from the opposing team, would it be the one who cannot attack others until he is sitting on their head and has the best tank? Or would you go for the one who can kill you from outside the screen, goop up the arena in singularities, MC your trees and golems and has the weakest tank? A no-brainer really.

 

Yes, DKs and RGs go for SWs first... and so do other SWs! It only makes sense! If they are good, they can do a lot of damage and cause a lot of problems if left alone. If they are not properly gemmed and geared, or they don't know how to escape fast, they can be easy kills. So characters test them first. If they're weak, we take them out. That's survival of the fittest. You hit the nail on the head there!

So, you've finally admitted it. Your character is PvP-weak. From your own description, your SW is not a "decent mage" but, rather, probably one of the bottom 20% performers at level 45. You went about trying to do PvP the exact opposite way of how PvP "twinks" do it (PvP twinks stay low-character level while raising PvP level). This means you are most likely one of the weakest in PvP, not one of the strongest (as you would like to believe).

I've heard admitting the truth is the first step toward enlightenment. Now all you have to do is spend about 2,000-4,000 dollars/euros, or about one year of heavy questing and boss runs (to get your character in shape), and you won't have to claim that a whole class is weak just because your character is weak. Congratulations, you are on the road to progress!

That was five posts ago! You're off-topic in your own thread and you're the one making things personal. I was merely giving examples of SWs I know who ARE strong. You're just sore because you barely ever win in PvP, for obvious reasons. Get back on topic! Your character being weak isn't a personal insult, it's just a fact and it IS relevant to your original post. Every person who has posted here has been trying to show you the truth, but you don't want to admit it! Do you think I respond in detail like this for my health???

 

Why you even bother replying to him? After his previous comment, i personally will say 'whatever', cant argue with people who don't want to listen. He always claims his mage is decent but never cares to show a screenshot.

P/S: Personal view: If you havent spent tons of $$ or time, as a new player, you character never be 'decent' enough in pvp, specially at 45 lv. This game is > 3 years old, and pvp at lv 45 is full of 'old' players.

 

I can't believe this thread has been going on for so long. I took a glance at it when it first started and ignored it while thinking, "This guy must not know how to play the game!" SWs weak? In my opinion they're probably the strongest class. Why do people kill SWs first? They have low armor and deal a truck load of damage. It just makes logical sense you kill them before you kill the DKs who regen their health back all the time AND must get close to you to deal dmg (which isn't as much as the SWs). Well, it is probably a waste of time to argue any further. Draken is not just any regular MMORPG. Plus not all MMORPGs works by "leveling to the max level first" before you start to learn how to play the game. If you complain SOOO much about SWs go make another character and quit whining.

 

You've got a point. The OP thought he could quickly level up to 45 and be competitive in PvP. When he found out that is not the case, he decided to blame the game or anyone/anything but himself for not gearing up properly for PvP. This is my last post here. I'm finished trying to explain something to a brick wall.

You convinced me

 

Come Tegan server and find rank 1. Name: Jarl, 45 SW field marshal. Come Tegan and view top list and you'll see it flooded with SWs. Bye

 

They'r not trolls.... [EDIT]. And now [EDIT] more farming.