For some bright mind (the proof that something is wrong)

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  1. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    And the only way for a DK to beat a SM with the ultra high damages in PvP is to rush them and get lucky. Take my recent PvP match. That mech's mechanical turrets were doing 3k-5k damage, per hit, with Dragon Hide active. Also, given that DKs stop any time they swing and they are going to be in range of these turrets every time they swing, it is a death sentence to fight SMs as a DK. All this stems from the fact that turrets work only off of base damage and they need no stopping and no aiming after they are deployed, and they can't be destroyed.

    Every other class has it's pros and cons, but SMs are the only class with more pros than every other class and less cons than everyone else.
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  2. Dragonnns

    Dragonnns Forum Veteran

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  3. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    Shrapnel shot mixed with mech turrets dmg

    Mech turret DMG.


    Shrapnel shot cast

    Shrapnel shot dmg (turrest still not aiming in the right position, the cloud of dust from shrapnel shot AoE active, DMG out of scale, single hit instead of double hit from turrest as expected).


    I especially enjoyed the PvP DK vs DK, extremly tactical.
  4. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    True, the numbers were 3429/3008, 2821/2932, 4805, 2661/3106. Which means that the point stands... 3k damage through Dragon Hide from an auto-aimed turret that fires while the other player runs away as fast as possible. It takes zero skill... just luck and stats.
  5. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master

    Exactly.Tanks dont go to bosses without dwarfs and this is where the problem is.You need those bosses for pristine/soul/blazing/dark/frost cores and so on.Especially the pristines and soul cores, and u cant get those unless u play a SM or u are a good tank because no one goes infernal with mages or rangers anymore.For these 2 clases, the only way to get those soul cores/pristine cores/tier 4 uniques and other type of cores is if u farm solo or if u farm MF and buy them directly with mf.This is why u see dwarfs having most of the sets...some of them have few of each sets already and mages/rangers dont.

    This is why these 2 classes need to be reviewed and their skills improved.The game pretty much stopped for rangers/mages at lvl 55.You either beg for party and if u are lucky u might find 1 slot or u do solo farm which is not very productive, but remains the only way left for your class to get the MF for the uniques and pristine/soul cores.This is not fair and has to be adressed asap.

    If you guys at DSO are to lazy to improve mages and rangers at least lower the costs for soul cores/pristine cores and uniques for these 2 classes.At least this way they can get them uniques.

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  6. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    Still this doesn't seem to prevent a char with with 10/12 legacy items not even lvl 50 to 2-shot a char with Q7 t4 weapon.
    In a game where 1-shot or be 1-shotted who cares if you had to take 3-4 hits of 3-4k magnitude? The only class that can't 1-shot it's always 3 steps behind.
    I also was so impressed when I saw DK doing PvP for the skill it takes.
    I farm any core other than pristine way faster in mod1 and the others can be bought by the vendor.
    That's why I think that farming the maps must be revamped. I find extremly boring the need to find a party in first place and I prefer to solo.
  7. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    This update killed the 2H DK for the most part. Unless you are seriously OP of course. The rest have to play 1 handed and simply spam the aggro skill over and over while the SM's do the killing.

    Between the extra penalty for grouping and the extra penalty for doing infernal, you can forget asking any 2h DK, mage or ranger to a group.

    Now if you are one of the lucky super OP characters in a good guild, you might still have some fun, but everyone else needs to create a SM and hope DSO continues to ignore the imbalance.

    All that time, effort and money I spent building a pretty decent 2H DK all went to waste with R185. I wasn't quite OP yet and they pulled the rug out from underneath me. No one wants a 2H in a group.

    Now if I choose to go 1H and just spam the aggro button while having zero fun whatsoever, I can still get in a group, but that is boring as h*** to me.

    The worst part is that they have so effectively killed pvp that that isn't even any fun anymore.
  8. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master

    I farm those on lvl 1 aswell.But the pristine cores and soul cores i must buy them via MF sadly because ...well if u arent a SM u dont have other ways of farming those.U can try solo maps and after wasting few k essence per map you will realise that its cheaper to buy them with MF unless you are a SM.
  9. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Dude admins duty is not to care ... they have to be emotionless and not biased.

    As for the cores ... here is my "tip of the day":
    Collect Realm Fragments ... as much as you can!

    BTW ... midgets are going to be nerfed ... no matter if you like it or not :D
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  10. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master

    I was against this lvl 55 update.I knew it will be even worse than lvl 50.I always thought that they shouldve worked on the balance in pve and pvp.Get to a point where everything is balanced...pvp..pve..then never increase the lvl cap to mess things up again.But they were so $ hungry that they didnt care.We can all see the result.If by any miracle the guys from dev team manage to get a fair game for all with a good pvp/pve balance then for god's sake, never mess with the lvl cap again to break things apart once more lol...

    Realm fragments? i have 21k already :/...Also if admins dont care about this game, then why have they applied for the admin position anyways then?Makes no sense to apply for a admin position for a game that u dont care about lol...

    U trolling or u know this for a fact?
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  11. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I hate to see any class get nerfed, but a balancing of dmg with some need to use crit would go a long ways.

    Now I would love to believe that the dwarfs will get adjusted properly, but DSO always finds a way to disappoint.

    If history has proven anything, if they somehow manage to adjust the dwarf, what will they do to the other 3 classes? Rarely does the nerf stick just hit one.
  12. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master

    Totally agree here.Instead of nerfing dwarfs , they should buff the weaker classes.
  13. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    Remember the story before 155 was forced down our throats when they said that they were "building" upon what we already had?

    That update wrecked what little balance there was, and every tweak since has only made it worse.

    I remember well that two good players regardless of class could have fun in a 1v1 dual, now it is all about who 1 shots the other first.

    I remember seeing players of all classes forming groups for the old boss runs. Sure Mortis and Khalys has always been tough for grouping, but it was fun.

    Now DSO is so focused on poorly copying a popular game mechanics without understanding why or how they work, that they have messed up everything so badly that so many players have left or in the act of leaving.

    The thought of "lets do something that might attract and keep players engaged" totally escapes them.
  14. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Game?? What game ... who is talking about any game??
    Imagine ... you are admin of a porn site ...
    Neither ... just using common sense.
    Unfortunately balancing is not working that way ... someone or something has to be nerfed down
  15. Erebus

    Erebus User

    Let me clarify it for you, since Trakilaki's quote didn't seem to do the trick:

    In the EN team, we all happen to play the 4 different classes as our main characters, some play SM, some play RA, and so on, what you need to understand is that we won't bias our feedback depending on which class we play, we won't filter out objective data just because it shows advantages over the class we particularly play or disadvantages of classes we don't, as I said before:

    Is it green?
  16. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master

    I see.So "you fight for the well being of this game" by not doing anything.Its green now.Thanks for clearing that up.BTW, i never asked you to take sides here.Only said that when a problem of great importance its brought to u, u just dont sit idle.Rangers raged on forums about their impossibility to get in a party 2 years ago.And what was done since then? 2 years later, no fix.

    Ah.You know that if someone is too strong compared to others, if u strenghten the others to match that strong one is also called balance right?Cuz overall you would be creating an equality in terms of strenght between all of them.

    Imagine having 4 bottles 2l of pepsi.Each bottle represents 1 class in the game.SMs have the full bottle, while the rest have only 1L of pepsi in their 2l bottles.If you fill up the bottles then they would have an equal quantity.Sure, you can also take from the SMs so they will have the same quantity but im just saying its not the only way.So i apologise but your theory is not valid.You can create a balance without nerfing something.You just have to add where and when adding is needed or take where and when taking is needed to create a balance.
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2017
  17. Mal3ficent

    Mal3ficent Guest

    Hi @Fugnuts

    Yes you are right, we, the mods have been sitting and doing nothing for very long. We have made the rangers undesirable for grouping and we made your 2L Pepsi bottles half empty.
    And you can't do anything about it. :)



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