Improving the moon events

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  1. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    So now you're in favour of adding it to vargulf, which just costs 10 realm frags

    Just a few posts above you were complaining about the ice frags needed to get entrances to the minievent

    I do not think that makes sense
     
  2. Shiro

    Shiro Padavan

    also, it costs silver ess (even if not really much) and a blood vial. = if you really want to obtain it from full moon event, wich is not particulary hard to prepare for, at least make it drop from something / someone that makes sense.


    It does to me, since you are bothering me because of a different opinion.
     
  3. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    You complaint about the amphora was that it less effort than yours, because those fragments were much harder to farm than realm fragments

    Now you are suggesting it drop from vargulf, which is much less effort than the amphora and the invasion minievent, which is contrary to the motivation of your complaint, which was lack of effort
     
  4. Shiro

    Shiro Padavan

    Now now Mr-Akkad, I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you.
    I didn't like one of your suggestions and for that I've been "attacked" (sorry, I don't have an high English knowledge, so, please, don't that word litterally...) first by you and then by another form user. To put an end to this, I have come down to a compromise (?), but it wasn't enough, since your hunger to try and demolish other users posts is this high.
    About this topic, there is a lot to say about your posts too, but it's not my duty and I don't care this much, so please, everytime you're going to answere to something that is not in line with your thoughts, drink some chamomile. It will be healthy both for you and for us too.
     
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  5. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    You' ve been attacked because you were wrong,stop being wrong and you won't be attacked

    Was it a compromise?I would describe it as you adopting the exact opposite position, mine and Baragain's, implicitly admitting you were wrong for your special snowflake complex

    Of course a compromise isn't enough, you have to agree with me 100%, which in practice you did, hell no, you went further
    While the real compromise and rational things was the amphora suggestion
    Or Trakilaki's solution

    I think instead i'll attack with brute force, it's better and yields results
     
  6. Shiro

    Shiro Padavan

    Man, the hell if you're blind...
    Vargulf = 3 days per month
    Cursed Amphoras = all day/week/month/year long
    I thought it was obvious.

    Yes it was sort of a compromise for me, since I didn't want to get involved in even more stupid debates. I told you already. Is it hard to comprhend?

    You should know that you are not writing to a computer. There are people on the other side and they might get hurt by how rude are your answers.
    As far as I've seen, you look forward to someone writing something where there is to argue, even if it is only a single word.
    Also, you refere a lot to the two hig-ranked form users... Maybe it's becauae you need their approval? I don't know.
    You don't have to adapt what are your thoughts to what are the "experts" thoughts, just to hear 'em say «you're right, man» and earn a place among them.
    Stop acting like someone perennially pissed off.
     
  7. VoulaAek1

    VoulaAek1 Forum Connoisseur

    It's better for the white wolf to be dropped from the vargulf since there are limited blood vials and vargulf appears only during the blood moon event once a month. This will make it a special drop. It's much easier to drop it from cursed amphoras which are available all the time and not once a month, and also getting realm fragments is too easy.
     
  8. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    But amphoras are rare and the drop of wolf is very low, you can access them however you want, but the odd of dropping the wolf is low

    Dropping it from vargulf is much easier, since you can even have theoretically infinite blood vials and only one player out of the group has to use it

    Is it a compromise?A compromise would involve the two parties reaching a common solution
    Instead you went to my side, hell, no, you went further than me

    The compromise would be the amphora, since it requires effort, which was your complaint, even more effort than your ice fragments of the defence event
    Vargulf farming takes much less efforts, you could theoretically do hundreds of kills of vargulf per event
    How much amphoras would you find, even if you are actively searching for it?

    The discussion originated because you didn't want it obtainable to others 'cause muh jealousy,muh feels, that is my disagreement and why you're in the wrong
    My suggestion for the white wolf was to make it obtainable


    I do not revere them, i respect them since they are esperts who know a lot about this game, they are objective and trakilaki manages the DSO wiki, which is a good source of information for the players, it helped me many times in the past
     
  9. Shiro

    Shiro Padavan

    Cursed Amphora:
    - You can spend fragment just when you read "I have amphora, slots free etc", so it has low fragments costs.
    - Can be found even while the event isn't active, and ca be found two times (Varholm and BloodMoon) during the event.
    - You don't need special Essences.
    - You don't need to use resources to summon the miniboss.
    - You get Drakens, special Essences and, if lucky, Blood Vials, a Mount and a Decorative Effect.


    Vargulf:
    - You need to wait the event starts, wich lasts 3 days per month.
    - You need special Essences = farm before the event starts = more Realm Frags.
    -You need a Blood Vial (same as for teaming up with other people to look for Cursed Amphora).
    - It drops nothing but an Elixir and a Gem, if lucky it drops Unique Items, Emote and Costumes.
    - You wouldn't farm it at mod1 only, since you wold be looking forward to get higher tier Uniques from BloodMage and higher amounts of Draken Cores.


    Me + Your ( you and Baragain) Posts = 2 parties.
    make the white wolf drop from Full Moon Event.
    I went to my side = trying to not be further involved in useless and repeated "attacks" (see few posts above) by other users.
    See few lines above


    See few lines and posts above.


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    ...
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    ...

    I don't know, what else did I have to write to make it not look like I was 100% serious? How low is your ability to understand other peoples meanings?

    Also, as I wrote before, saying that I didn't agree on making it available through Cursed Amphoras doesn't mean I'm against it to be dropped at all. But I gess it is too hard to make 2+2, otherwise things wouldn't have been turned out like this.


    You can disagree, I can't deny it, but don't say I'm wrong just because it is a different point of view. It is not written in the nature of the world that "not agreeing with half of a suggestion" makes you be on the wrong side.
    I never said that adding it to Cursed Amphoras' drops list is wrong. It isn't in line with my opinion on this topic and I tried to explain why, jokes aside.


    I didn't write "revere", but anyway, then why you wrote
    ?
    I do understand it is written in a joke-like way, but what I mean is that if he wanted to write his opinion about this list of suggestions, he could have done it freely like everybody else did.
    Instead, you were looking for agreement from him, so you had to ask directly.
    I'm not saying it is wrong. He's a reliable source of informations about DSO, quite funny sometimes (I mean, some of his trolling posts... Those written intentionally as jokes) and all. And I do understand that because of all of this, you find him one of the players that can give better objective answers, but you don't need to make them (posts) fit their tastes or something like that, just to feel relived by their (Trakilaki's and the other EN forum father figures) positive feedback.
    It's quite complicated, so, please, try to understand what I wanted to mean, don't just "read" what it is written.
    I couldn't find better words to fill that part of the post since my EN vocabulary isn't that big.


    Oh, and, by the way...
    = you don't need my agreement, since I'm just a player.
    That opinion change was made just to not have to deal with any other subsequent reply and all. I hope that after writing it like 5 tines now, it has become way more clear.
     
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  10. You are very lucky to get a cursed amphora and even luckier if you even get a mount from one so 70-80 runs and you got it seems rather quick.
     
  11. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    I'm ok with making it droppable from Vargulf, it's even easier than by amphora suggestion, by a long shot

    It's strange that you suggested that after complaining about the amphora about it being easier, bringing up the ice fragments as a reason
    Vargulf is much easier than the amphora after all, people explained that to you many times

    I asked trakilaki's opinion, not agreement, infact he disagreed on the white wolf point and the attack speed point
    I wouldn't even able to force him to agree with me

    Also, at the end op i wrote discuss, implying i want a discussion, not an echo chamber of people agreeing with me
    If i wanted to feel good, i wouldn't have opened this thread with suggestions, i would have wrote to support
     
  12. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I actually liked some of your suggestions as they made sense, and while I understand why some don't want the wolf drop or speed rune drop, I can see why you made the suggestion.

    Unfortunately there aren't many "discussions" anymore here on the forum. It's more popular to fight and whine.
     
  13. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Maybe i have to modify the OP, but by speed rune i mean attack speed rune

    Well, none really disagreed with the rune dropping, some were in favour of the 1h rune dropping from vargulf, which makes sense,let's throw a bone to those who play 1h

    I proposed the 2h rune, since it's rare and this gives a second chance to drop it, it's not like it'll become farmable, it's drop will stilll be rare, but it makes easier for players to build up attack speed

    [EDIT]
     
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  14. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I really like this idea as it would actually encourage more players to do higher levels.


    I get why some don't want the white wolf drop, but since it is not game breaking, I couldn't care one way or the other personally if it becomes a drop.


    I like this idea, although it may discourage grouping which seems to be a focus in the development.


    I completely agree. Used to be a boss, so making it once again seems like a good idea. As far as speed runes, I see the argument against it.

    Extra wood, progress, draken and scroll I'm okay with. Don't really care if the broom drops or not as once again it is not game breaking.


    Same as above


    Same as above.


    Same as above.
     
  15. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    The quest that rewarded scrolls for karabossa existed in the old version of the event, you had first to kill 750 enemies in blackborg and then 2000 enemies, it took many runs to be able to get the scroll

    The same would be for the new quests, you have to do many runs in the maps to get both scroll and vial, so i do not think it'll discourage grouping

    I mean, yeah, you can get it without grouping, but at the cost of having to do many runs without bosses
     
  16. Arr

    Arr Forum Expert

    introduce mini bosses that drop higher amounts of fairy fire
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2018
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  17. Shiro

    Shiro Padavan

    @sargon234, glad we made it kinda clear :D

    I was think about if adding Jullov to New Moon map, inside a barrel or a cauldron, would be a nice idea... Maybe he can drop some progress, wood, scrolls and other event related things.
     
  18. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    it could work, jullov used to be on blackborg map when the event ran
     
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  19. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Why do you have to make things complicated? XD
    The easiest way to get the mount is via new event (or reworked Invasion event).
     
  20. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Well, it's more complicated to design a new event or a reworked invasion event

    Look ad [EDIT], it's much easier to sell the same game every year than build a new one from scratch

    The intention is to make the white wolf available, by any means necessary
     
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