Leaderboard upcoming Prizes poll

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Are you happy with the outrageous increase at the leaderboard?

  1. No

    24 vote(s)
    88.9%
  2. Yes, i have no life so i can finish it

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. Yes, i use a bot to do the hard stuff for me

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Kinda, but needs changes (elaborate on the thread)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. iNeXoRaBlE

    iNeXoRaBlE Forum Great Master

    Well after seeing the announcement about the final decision that says that the limit of leaderboards will be higher i decided to see how many of us are disappointed here.
     
  2. -DeathRaider-

    -DeathRaider- Forum Pro

    The option for me isn't here. of course I can finish it and I have a life, and do not use bot. We will have something like 7 months to complete it right? I do not like though how it was extended so much. The rewards are crap for the time, before they were good and players would put leaderboard as priority.

    So no, I am not happy at all with the change, I don't know of anyone that is.
    Major mistake bigpoint, another update that will make you lose players if followed through and put on live servers.
     
  3. Aslandroth

    Aslandroth Regular

    Do you ave any idea how hard it was not to select one of the YES votes, just because it would be hilarious? I've never gotten very high on the boards so it doesn't matter much. It just moves a nearly impossible achievement into the realm of unobtainable. Par for the course.
     
  4. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    Are you surprised by this decision? For the last couple years DSO has done nothing but add more and more grind with less rewards for that effort. The "seasons" for the leaderboards have gotten longer and will continue to get longer until they are simply pointless. It's the same with the events.

    It's no wonder why so many are using bots. The real games have active bans for cheaters, and DSO doesn't. DSO has done something like two bot bans in the last 5 years. Yet at the same time, every player sees it daily.

    I used to believe that none of the dev's had ever played a game before, but now I'm wondering if their plan is to see how many players they can get to quit playing.

    I know that sounds a bit silly, but what have they done since R155 that has positively affected the game and gotten anyone to come back? I'm guessing that those on the big servers don't notice players quitting, but Tegan is getting smaller every week. It is so small you notice when 10 people quit in a week.

    If their goal isn't to drive players away, they need to seriously change direction and either lower the grind or up the rewards for the effort that it takes. If anyone at DSO took the time to read through the years of "official" feedback from players they would see that no one ever asked for more grind. They would see that every player hates lower rewards. These things are not secrets.

    This is why so many players are quitting.

    As an added bonus, I would suggest that they stop poorly copying the ideas from popular games and instead add just a little bit of originality to DSO.

    Despite their claims that they aren't looking to nerf players with this new "poll" that they are taking, who believes that?
     
  5. Frostarch

    Frostarch Junior Expert

    >hey would see that no one ever asked for more grind.

    Hey the only reason i'm playing this game is because it's grindy. No other game satisfies me currently, they all seem to be extremely casual, high reward low grind types. I'm happy at least one game is grindy that i like

    If this game becomes casual, what would i play? Modded singleplayer i guess. Meanwhile you can pick any game on the market and chances are it's casual with high rewards just as you like.
     
  6. thouvou000

    thouvou000 Forum Expert

    Dude, you are new to the game compared to most of the guys that are writing in this forum. Trust me, when time passes, you will feel what grind really means in this game. Some of us play since level 40 was the max level, so we know all about the game. It used to have alot of grind back then too, but back then the more grind and effort you were putting the more beneficial it would be for you. Now, we have to grind alot more but the result is not the expected, because of many things that have changed. When you really have invested years into the game and have enough experience you can really see why many people in the forums are complaining about the grind and poor rewards, especially since haruki and greg left the team
     
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  7. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    Exactly....


    Frostarch, it is obvious that you were not around when DSO was full of players and people looked forward to and even begged for certain events to come around. You have no idea what the good and rewarding events were like. We had quests that took months to complete, but the major difference is that those quests were worth doing at that time. Same with the events.

    Today, we spend months doing events like the Full Moon and for what? Oh yeah, stuff to melt. New Moon as bad as it was, at least offered a set (witch) that meant something.

    Is there even an event set worth owning today?

    Now if you had been around when Sargon ruled or when the Invasion events were still good, you would understand why many of us are unhappy with the current mindless grind.

    For those of us that were around before Haruki came along, we know when this game was fun. We know when it was rewarding. We know when pvp was more balanced. We know when even the ghost server (Tegan) had plenty of people playing on it.

    So I am thrilled for you that you like a mindless grind game with zero rewards. Maybe when you've gotten multiple years under your belt and you watched entire guilds vanish from the game because of constant bad releases, you'll have a better understanding of what it is like for some of us that have been around for more than a week.
     
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  8. EhtovK

    EhtovK Old Hand

    Actually yes, lots of peopple are using combinations of Dragan's set, Black/White spider sets, New Witch Chaser and some people even use Bloodrune items to great success, it's easy to rant just for the sake of it without a basis, but here's a RA using no less than 5 event-related items to achieve an awesome build, and here's another one, and YouTube is flooded with many more great examples from all classes.

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    Regarding the new leaderboard requirements, it's a big fat no from me, even if the rewards are not maimed by stripping the gold off of them, the suggested amount of points is plain insane.
     
  9. bLaind

    bLaind Forum Baron

    You guys should see the Total LB rewards... :rolleyes: places 4-200 1 polished gem bag... :rolleyes:
     
  10. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I did not ask if there were combinations of event items, I asked if there was an event "set" that is worth keeping. Throughout the years, there have been a few sets that were game changers in and of themselves.

    From everything I've seen online and in game, no one is seeking out an event set. If I'm mistaken in that, please point it out.

    Before we completely hijack this thread, if you wish to debate whether the game is better / pvp is better / events are better than they were say 2 years ago when more players were online, let's create a separate thread and go at it. :D
     
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  11. EhtovK

    EhtovK Old Hand

    Guess you were too busy ranting here while the rest of Tegan was playing Dragan event and actually getting better, and in New Moon, and in Full Moon. Also, debate requires the two parts to be open to reason and facts, you might be on the right side about the mind-numbing grind devs deviate, like this new leaderboard system (to stay mildly on topic :D) and many other things, but when there's overwhelming evidence of good item sets available and, again, used to great success by many people, you gotta stop and think if your claim of "no desirable event sets" is true or not.
     
  12. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Ah ... that discriminatory set that protegees 2H builds while naming the players with 1H offensive builds as [EDIT] of this game.
    In the past the sets were suited both for 2h and 1H builds ... event sets could be used as equal replacement to PW/Worldly sets.
    Nowadays that is not the case. Event items are now covering for the PW items that are not used as part of defensive/offensive build or items that are not present in the PW.
    These new items are very poorly designed ... they are very limited when it comes to different choice of build ... but OP to one particular build. and there is no option to get similar build with different items.

    Just one example: the 1000 gold cloak until today is the best cloak ever made in this game in terms of overall coverage. It could be used for both 2h and 1H builds. Should they rework that cloak to nowadays standards ... i am switching back to that cloak again.

    In other words ... in the past ... with less sets and items this game had items that had great diversity.
    Now ... with 1000000 times more items the diversity is not present in the game ... every single player is having the same build.

    Yesterday I had a materi rune from DD ... I only had to spend 7800 andermants ... so i decided to gamble with andermants.
    I spent less than 7000 andermant ... because I got andermant rewards ... and I got these in few minutes:
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    So yea ... "I am very excited about he LB rewards ... I am so excited that I keep farting constantly" :D
     
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  13. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    We have less diversity, because, since the developers of this game have never ever played a game in their life( maybe they played those gambling games, given thier obsession with gambling),much less and RPG game. They simply made sets that are blatantly better then others, if they some other option for an alternative but equally good build, there would be much more diversity

    Is it really much less diverse than the past?I mean, i come from the time when level 45 was maximum level, i saw everyone using the same sets, witch chaser and some warrior used to wear dragan set, if you were a 2h players you were considered a ******
    Maybe someone used darkness set, many used dragon ache. everyone used cloak of power
    At least there aren't any cancerous quests like the old pw quests and the cloak quests, they are still present and they are still cancerous, this is bad game design.

    The changes to LB are another proof of incompetence and ignorance about game design, there is nothing to comment about that
     
  14. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    Increase the grind + lower rewards = less fun. 'Nuf said :mad:

    Luck be with ye,
    Mikey,
    Tegan
     
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  15. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    You've been extremly lucky and you know it. I had to spend 36k andermant to get my second Rune of Enhancement and the final result were around 600 lockpicks and few k of purple + orange ess as best prices.

    YOU have less diversity because you can't think about different builds.
    Facts are that there is much more diversity now than ever and the ones that negates this just don't want admit it.
    EhtovK proved that and I did the same with the dwarfs builds in a dedicated topic (you won't find the posts anymore because this community doesn't deserve it) but if you spend few mins on youtube you can easly find out some of them by yourself.

    ALL the best sets come from events and you melted em because you don't know their potential.
    You had to "refresh" your equipment not because of the lvl cap raise but because of the new framework (which could have come in without any lvl cap raise).
    If you don't use any event set, you're failing badly. Event sets today are the core of any build (along with Q4 and Q7 sets).

    To stay "midly" on topic, the pool it's obviusly corrupted because doesn't give any option for the ones that have midly favorable opinion. You don't take in consideration that anyone is getting new rewards basically for free (the ones from group leadboards) and the solo ones are a plus for the hardcore gamers, infact, the main problem of those prices is that botters will be the ones that will benefit the most.
     
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  16. gun

    gun Forum Great Master

    So anyone can enlighten me. What does this bot software do exactly in term of helping them farming leaderboard points?
    Does it only do map 1 over and over? Or does it do anything else such finishing map 2 & kill boss?
     
  17. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    I can think of other builds, but those other builds are inferior

    I can build a character with dragan weapon or bloodmage weapon, but they would be inferior then a character that uses q4 set or q7 set
    Those are not equal
    Let's look at the new khalys set,who would swap the dragan set, the offensive one for that set?

    And 1h offensive players are discriminated against, you can build one, true, but then you don't really have any opportunity to craft
    And what about those who like to use 2h axes? they can't, 'cause there is none, you have to suck it up and craft either a sword(blood mage, dragan) or a mace( q4 and q7)
     
  18. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    If you think so, you are wrong (for some classes), you don't read the posts (because I wrote
    ) and you contraddict yourself because the fact itself you can chose between Q4 OR Q7 forces you to chose different setups, in other words, proves that you have multiple and different builds on disposal.
    There's no need to swap out the bellicose set in order to get the 3/3 bonus and it fits perfectly for the ones that use q4 set.
    The problem is the 2/2 set bonus is OP in PVP - 1vs1 environment and pathetic in other environments so only heavy PvP players could realistically look at that.
    The pauldrons by themseves are the best pauldrons in game unless you think few % dmg can compete with a more balanced utility bonus and the chance to craft em.
    The more you talk the more you prove I'm right.

    Just to be more clear, what Trakilaki meant wasn't referred to the uniques and the sets in general so stop talkin about what he said if you don't get it.
    He is still bounded to the old crafting system in which you had to chose if it was better to get ICHD/ICHR/Increased RAW DMG on offhands and things like these and the fact that there's no good enough longbow set.
    Now the crafts you need on any piece is pretty much standard (with very few exceptions) and this is due to the fact they gave very stupid enchantments and patetically useless on some items . The build composition is much more variable than before.
     
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  19. iNeXoRaBlE

    iNeXoRaBlE Forum Great Master

    Yea i have the same question. Hey can a person who uses bot explain it to us? :cool::rolleyes:
     
  20. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Incorrect ... you don't have to use the bot in order to know its abilities
    I will :p
    It can do everything ... it can play for you:
    - feature 1
    - feature 2
    - feature 3
    - feature 4
    - etc...

    That is not all :)
    It can do things while you are not AFK as well (basically general cheating features):
    - feature 1
    - feature 2
    - feature 3
    - feature 4
    - etc...
    (not mentioning them on purpose since i am not their advertiser)
    (end of the reply)

    As for the diversity ... i have task for you:
    - create at least 5 competitive 1h offensive builds for rangers.
     
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