Leaderboard upcoming Prizes poll

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Are you happy with the outrageous increase at the leaderboard?

  1. No

    24 vote(s)
    88.9%
  2. Yes, i have no life so i can finish it

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. Yes, i use a bot to do the hard stuff for me

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Kinda, but needs changes (elaborate on the thread)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    "you" should be "me"?
    I'm not a RA main and I haven't the time nor the interest to calculate exactly the DMG potential of 1h build nowdays but I got a feeling: the infernal debuff on crit chance was the way BP thought to make those builds competitive in the long run. Where 2h classes will always struggle to keep high the crit chance, 1h users will always be able to keep it up having 1 more item (arguably 2 if we consider some 1h weapons) that scales with the increased tiers.
    ATM there aren't "5 builds" not even for 2-handers (you can switch 1 or 2 items but that doesn't make a whole "different" build) as there have never been before (you could chose to put IASotI on weapon instead of IDotI/Raw DMG or CHR instead of CHD/Raw DMG on offhands but you never had the doubt to put IAS gloves or CHC on helm even before), so there wasn't that much diversity even before if we want to be honest. If we want to be COMPLETLY honest, even before 1-handers had lower DMG compared to 2-handers (infact we saw a lot of complaints about this also on this forum), 1-handers were much more versatile but if we talk about pure DMG, 2-handers always won.

    You are right when you say that things aren't getting better for 1-handers but this doesn't automatically mean they are getting worse... they stayed the same.

    In PVP, it's a whole different story, 2-handers are getting all the best, big DMG, maxed crit, maxed CHD and we can see the 1-shot fest it is now and that's why I keep on suggesting to quit PvP untill something serius has been done.

    Anyway, to keep back "midly" on topic, this is what happens when you put a bot into the game:

    http://www.dragonrise.co.kr/board/index.php?threads/서비스-종료-안내-server-shutdown.10363/

    and that's why I'm quite confident they will look into this problem.

    BTW we are not allowed to talk about this matter on the forum and I won't try, but things are a bit more complicated than it seems. Not lastly it's quite complicated to catch em if you know how "modern" bots work.
     
  2. iNeXoRaBlE

    iNeXoRaBlE Forum Great Master

    Well since you say that it can do everything, it must not be so hard for the developers to find the bot users. Maybe the pay and they don't want to disappoint their clients.
    As for the rangers i have to agree, they need to be fun again. My friend who is a ranger was forced to turn into 2h to play, and i was forced to go with a shield even though i loved my 2h build.

    Saved is so wrong, the best builds are limited to a small number even if you don't like it.
    Edit:

    About the pvp. I play almost 2 years (2handed 1vs1) i wasn't strong but i kept on winning, the problem about the pvp is that most of the players keep on playing head on( of course that damager will one shot you avoid it) . I don't disagree that its not balanced but it isn't so bad.
    my score btw
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2017
  3. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    I'm impressed by the deep argumentation of such posts...
     
  4. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    You only have two useful sets, for two hand weapons, there aren't any other options, is this diversity?Tecnically yes, but why aren't the other two weapons not equal, they are transitional weapons, used by newbies who have no better?
    And still 1h players don't have any good option, there is only one book avaible for crafting in the game, 2 if you count the upcoming ghost book and ghost weapon. There aren't any pw sets with books for crafting, nor there is a 1h set

    Dwarves are forced to use 2 hand weapon to be competitive, there aren't any viable combination of 1hand and hammer/tool

    There aren't any 2 hand axes in pw, the same for swords
    at least they could have reintroduced the old mortis weapon sold for andermants to give a little bit of diversity

    Rangers have that 1hand bow, they have 2 siegebow, but what about a longbow?

    There is a diversity of sets, but you see the same base type of build, only two hand build, often with the same type of weapon.

    As for crafting, some stats are straight up better than others

    It's better than before, there is more diversity, but more needs to be done

    I have to test those pauldrons, sure you can use khalys set with dragan offensive set, is there a good alternative set that can be used to replace dragan?It's versatile, it can be combined with many sets
    I still use darkness pauldrons, darkness is another set that would never be updated, it should be updated
     
  5. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    No :p
    You in plural

    anyway ... I will leave you(plural) enough time to create at least 5 1h builds :D
    (BTW I can present you more than 5 1H builds used at same point of time in the past)
     
  6. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    On the other side there were no other "different build" for other classes and, again, not all the builds were competitive in the same way.
    I know for sure that there's much more diversity for my class now than ever.
    The fact that can switch those weapons forces you to completly change the arrangement of all the rest of the equipment and this brings even more diversification.
    While I can agree that for RA the situation is a bit complicated where there's a set that is strictly better than the others and they lack to find a competitive alternative on 1-h which is the weapon they were used to use before the R185 (so they whine because they lack of decent equip on which tranfer they legis), other classes have nothing to complain.
    You didn't even understood the potential of Khalis' set and that's enough said.
    It has always been this way, stop bringing things that have been this way since ever, any class used 2h to deal the highest dmg, what you didn't get (and I have plenty proved it) is that there's much more diversity now than before.
    Yes they had 1h and they complained because dmg wise were inferior to other classes, now they have 2h, very good dmg but there' the complain because there's no 1h build... I see a loop :rolleyes:
    Wow this is a big step ahead, now we got the "diversity" (at least you admitted it) now we can go a bit further and we can find out that the problem probaby are not the sets but the skills and that there has never been "time in which thigs were flowers and rainbows"? That's the point, the game is at it is since ever and you know how they can simply fix this? Including new sets that empower skills that are currently ditched because far inferior but then we will have again the complain of the ones that feel fooled because the new sets are better than the older ones and we start again a new loop (that is exactly what we saw when they introduced the new framework :rolleyes:).
    We got another big step ahead in your perspective, there's something more to be done but the continous whining won't help anyone.
     
  7. Erebus

    Erebus User

    All righty heroes, I'll make a brief interjection here, the topic of this post is about the proposed changes about the upcoming leaderboards in the Test Server, remember your feedback is important here if we want to be able to nudge the outcome, so, I won't allow further off-topic or pointless rants.

    If you wish to open a thread for discussing any of the other topics at hand you're more than welcome to do so in the dedicated forum sections, any further posts in this thread ignoring the warning will be sanctioned accordingly, best regards.
     
  8. iNeXoRaBlE

    iNeXoRaBlE Forum Great Master

    Hello there, i have some questions about that, first of all as it seems the leaderboards will reset with R200 right?
    I think that they should consider some things

    1. The amount of time that a player has to spend to reach 250k is too high (remember that is a game). We don't want an extended time, 2 months of waiting is not short time either.

    2. The prizes are attractive to new/old players? If not reconsider.

    3. Did they consider the group leaderboards? They just tripled the amound of time needed and they added group play which means that we have more dungeons as well.

      Now what options do we have here? Can we make suggestions?Can the mods offer alternative prizes and we vote ? we still dont know the group leaderboard prizes though.
      I think its time the mods show the community some respect and share some thoughts about their plans.
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2017
  9. Erebus

    Erebus User

    Beats me.

    This is a shared thought by many, and has been passed to the developers already, and we insist on it on every chance.

    That opinion is subjective, I have mine and it may or may not align with yours, the same stands for every player, but in the EN team we advocate for changes that benefit old and new players alike despite our individual opinions.

    I get your point, and that's an observation we also made.

    1. Give us your feedback, 2. Yes, always, 3. No, we let you give your proposals and pass them on instead.

    What plans?, we're the EN moderation team, not the developers, we share your feedback and ours with the development team, but we're not ultimately plans or decision makers and you are well aware of that, best regards.
     
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  10. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    The rewards are not that good and will only benefit, like today, those who are botting( i'm talking about the general leatherboards) and sharing, cheaters
    Now the same will happen to the quest leatherboards and those who need those prizes the most( the newbies) will never get to benefit them
    The trash that are botting and sharing probably already have royal gems and have a good amount of clovers, they don't need them

    At least if you want noobs to have a chance to get those rewards, the general LB should work like the quest specific LB, after a certain threashold you unlock the rewards, as it is now only botters and cheaters get to enjoy those rewards. Either BP starts massbanning them or they change, but today's situation can't continue.
    Cheaters should be banned, the tears everywhere would be glorious and delicious, but there will so much of them that we'll need a new arc, the flood would pale in comparison.
    Or they port the autoplay mode they made for the asian version, at least there are more opportunities
     
  11. Iselda

    Iselda Advanced

    I do hope that the amount of points needed will be changed on live servers. With the old system, I was able to get some prizes from all the Qs and was even planning to get some golden rewards in the next edition, with this one... maybe I'll get one/two bronzes and that's all. I have some other things to do, and I'm unwilling to grind endlessly the same maps.
     
  12. iNeXoRaBlE

    iNeXoRaBlE Forum Great Master

    I meant the developers my bad there.

    I think the Prizes should be focused on Gold/materi/andermants everybody here cares about those.
    My personal preference is Materi/andermant/gold.
    for the top 200 the ander were kinda low though only the first places had good rewards.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2017
  13. Fugnuts

    Fugnuts Forum Master

    My suggestion on the LB rewards is to reduce the duration of them to 1 -2week max in order to not make them top prizes available only to botters.We all noticed that many players started to use bot now in order to win these leaderboards which is why the idea of having solo leaderboards is not good at all until the botters issue is solved.The DEVs should be running anti cheat/banning scripts on a weekly basis in order to offer a fair shot at winning the leaderboards to all of the participants.Making these LBs last so long is definitely not doing that.
     
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  14. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    botters are going to get to top places regardless of the duration of the LBs, the only way to dissuade botters is too punish them hard, banning them and/ or stripping them of any gems, andermantsn, gliphs, ecc., like what happened to those who abused the anniversary bug. this will dissuade the majority from botting, only through hard punishment you can stop the majority from breaking the rules

    And maybe make grinding a bit more pleasureable and fun, so people will be further disincentivized from botting
     
  15. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    Thy need some new blood in game but fir this they should stop making so many mistakes and also they should show to new players that they can reach what they want if they play and pay enough.
    The problem is that new players cant have stats like 79% idoit/cd or 9.9 movement speed, or "increased block rate" on shields or sapphires so they need to recycle some old accounts that have those, to accept this or to quit.
    Now they put another barrier, how about don't give them gold, so after many players have craft items with gold from leader board,a new player that has reach 30-50 need to play 5x times more than a player has played last season.
    In my opinion is fine but like all changes that come in DSO is late, they should have put this at the start not now when they used to get this gold every season.
    They should let the requirements as they put now to 250 500 and 1mil but to scale the gold as it should be cooper 1150 2500 and for Golden league 5000 gold.
    And kids should not be allowed on casino :)).
     
  16. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    So we should give proposal into a topic with a "slightly" vitiated poll?
    Which is the option for the ones that aren't totally against the modifications? The one in which I say I'm a botter or the one in which I say I'm a no lifer? If we want to make an open minded discussion shouldn't that poll be removed in the first place?

    The real point is if the devs are meant to make the game a bit easier than now (therefor the obvius proposal would be to leave untouched the actual scores and the current prices because we saw they were pretty much fair or, at the very least, doable for anyone and we will only get more rewards thanks the new group leadboards) OR if they want to keep things in the current state they could make longer seasons (this way you will indirectly lower the total amount of prices you can get with leadboards in 1 year and make the botters a bit less advantaged untill you finally implement a good spyware in your client to handle correctly the botters problem).

    Untill you implement the spyware in the client you can use a captcha system on every map transition or at least on every Q first entrance.

    [edit]
    Edited the post for a better explaination of the proposals
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2017
  17. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Even though it would be annoying for legitimate players, I like this. Simple, but effective. I'm not sure a spyware element in the client would be wise since most antivirus will spot that and block it. Lots of players, especially new players, would be uncomfortable installing a game that their antivirus warns them against.
     
  18. Erebus

    Erebus User

    You just took the other available option, type down your point of view. Here's the thing, please do not think that we only look at poll results and assume that is the only thing we'll pass on, we read through each and every post. For the time being I added a bit of a "gray option" so that you can vote there as well and elaborate here in the thread what would everyone would like to see, best regards.
     
  19. Saved_81

    Saved_81 Forum Master

    I can ensure you that the spyware system is the best solution for any legitimate player because it can spot "everything", from macros to bots and it would create a real "safe" world (yes, much more controlled than now but I want to be controlled if it's in my defence).
    Any game from a lot of the best game companyes use this from years, the copyright law specifically allows this kind of behaviour and antivirus program could find suspicious behaviour only on fail euristic system.

    Anyway, captcha is easier and quite effective against bots (but does nothing against hacks and macros).
     
  20. cigarbennett

    cigarbennett Forum Great Master

    hmmmm a poll on new leaderboard rewards. But you do not list what the rewards are. Just where does one find this list of new rewards?
     
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