Level 60. MUST READ.

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  1. Javah

    Javah Forum Veteran

    Sorry but: what are you talking about? Where do you see he wrote "full 100% correct"?

    He wrote "usually".

    That's equal to your "Like 75% or more of the times at least". Or any other meaningless quantification like it.

    Moreover, what does imagining the evolution of the game - in a way coherent with the knowledge of the mechanisms of the game itself - have to do with being able to foresee distortions (as the big nerf you mentioned above) - that have nothing to do with these mechanisms?

    It is one thing to reason with logic as he and someone else (few, very few) do, a very different one are the oracle-like predictions that you pretend. Come on.
  2. Theusen

    Theusen Padavan

    Trakilaki wrote it here that he is 100%:

    And I just proved w several examples hes not 100%!
  3. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    Those enchantments you're mentioning, like runspeed, blocks, or idoti on weapons weren't completly discontinued with the lvl55 expansion, they just didn't drop in new maps. They did drop as well as before on lower level maps (even as high as Lor'Tac).

    I'm not his pro bono lawyer, but I remember pretty well actually that Trak said back then that we better farm those enchantments if we want them, because it would soon turn legacy. And? A few weeks passed, and yep, all levels updated to the new format. So you only gave another one of the examples when he's right.

    Learn to read man. I'm not going to explain his post to you, but the 100% referred to something else. Read it once more.
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    FAALHAAS Forum Commissioner

    ''usually'' is indeed the keyword here. He just says his predictions are facts....and it simply doesnt work that way.

    And I know, I still craft 'n stuff, but I do try not to run empty on everything tryin to do so. I'm just playing it a bit more save till I know the real ''facts''.
  5. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    We already know that the equipment that we have now is going to be obsolete after the expansion because that's what happened when they introduced the previous expansions.
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  6. NSDT-returns

    NSDT-returns Someday Author

    The thing is:
    1> we don't have a release date
    2> we don't know for sure if plat lines will become obsolete

    My thoughts:
    1> it could be september but I would expect it just after halloween event
    2> it's likely if they do like last expansion. However some people would be very unhappy having to farm both new gold lines items and plat+ lines; Some people also have farmed loads of 4plat items to store in their locker
    => Maybe they didn't go for it. Or maybe it will be easier with their new craft with lock system(apparently we'll be able to lock some lines [I guess one maximum] in the craft, maybe with a price increase / special currency)

    It would be nice to get the answer to 2 because they already know it. They just have to tell us if there will be plat+ lines or not in the expansion. It would save time for IDing, gold and cores ....
    About release date, I guess they are not sure about it yet.
  7. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    Mostly useless but youwill still have glyphs and gems <- never forget those as they mean youre not starting over as a whole
    It has been proven before that enchantments go up with higher levels
    This is not whether he is correct or not that is 100% a fact and no matter how you argue when level 60 comes you will see that enchantments go up too
    So he is 100% correct if you were wondering
    Whether that is all the time or mostly or only sometimes has never been the matter of the subject it is merely you who wish to question that
    yes I suspect 2 handed weapons will be more or less 100% damage on this item per line
    1 handed weapons will come in at 65% idoti

    Spoiler alert for those who do not wish to know what I foresee Please stop reading

    Sargon will return and is the new bad guy in pw and the ultimate boss
    His uniques will make 1h top again.
    Now regarding desert of essences <- I think it was a test run
    We will work towards elemental resistances possibly new slots for higher resistances in items
    I suspect doe as an event will be implemented as part of the desert we have now so the CE will be twofold
    one part in normal world and the other part in pw.
    we will get gorga as q10 <- this is known already
    I am hoping we get the destructor too
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2020
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  8. JohnWick

    JohnWick Advanced

    It is not to contradict you, but I hope with all my heart that you are wrong, and do not do that damage to us after all that it has cost us to get a decent weapon and the sets that strengthen that weapon.

    It would be to make a weapon of 0 again and change all the sets and start from 0 also with them, I assure you, if this is the case I will be one of the first (if not the first) to migrate to another game and start from 0 with new airs and not repeating the same monsters and dungeons in parallel worlds because they no longer have the imagination to create anything new.
  9. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Neither glyphs nor gems are safe, as they stole our Sapphires and we had to refine our gems.

    Trakilaki explained it already.
  10. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    well what do you think higher level cap means?
    lets hope something is safe
  11. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    For them it's one reason to make us farm it all again already.

    Guys, @NSDT-returns @JohnWick & some others:
    Please get over it. Lines will be higher, because they grow with level.
    If you level up a new char, and find eg. an 80% gold line on eg. lvl45, the similar 80% gold line will be way greater on your lvl55 character. It's obvious that max possible gold and max possible platinum values will increase with a level cap increase. That is entirely out of question.

    The only thing they might do (and actually SHOULD do), is making the crafting more fair and less luck- and exploit dependant. Will they do it though?

    Anyways, it's 100% sure we'll have to redo our equipment. The question is whether it's going to be made balanced this time or yet another crapfest, with them just stating "public stunts", as Trak put it on p.1. of this thread.
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  12. rcch

    rcch Advanced

    yup sargon is the new top dog :)
    I'd hope to see 1h at least buffed(lets see if they increase current 400% critdmg cap).
    I think that you are spot on with this resistance stuff... they have introduced that type of stuff already quite a bit.
    Personally I think q10 will come later(like 6 months after ce or similar) but I'm often wrong.
  13. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Nothing is safe.
  14. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    more in the direction of a 65% weapon damage unique line on the new sargon mace
    and this is the estimated damage with current lines and a base of 1100-1200 <- if thats a t10 lvl65 h1 mace could be more not sure
    but ive used a total of 97% weapon damage and yes this excludes wisdom
    how I got there was 65% weapon damage unique line
    22% from 3 dragan pieces
    and 10% from 1h weapon wisdom because 1h is 60 and not 50 and for some reason I am unable to change the wisdom dmg to 1h in this calc sheet
    so total of 97 and 50 from wisdom
    gives you this damage on 1h
    and yes using current plat lines in torso helmet etc
    Now considering everything a player gets as bonus from an off hand item
    be those bonuses offensive or defensive
    it sure is OP
  15. Valhöll

    Valhöll Someday Author

    Actually, I don't care about platinum stats or anything else. This game needs a change, it needs to become a MMORPG. It needs strong dungeons for player cooperation. There's nothing valuable in this game right now. It has interesting mechanics to fight in Pvp, but implementation and balance are poor. She has decent bosses such as Balor and Destructor, but they are on the bench. I'm waiting for level 60, waiting for rebalancing to start in the Pvp. I'm waiting for a MMORPG, not a dull solo wanker. All platinum stats, let them go to heaven. I'm gonna miss my partner, two-handed bow. But I'll get over it if it's worth it. Otherwise, everything else will be absolutely irrelevant.
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  16. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    So yeah, we have people like me and you (based on your post), who don't care about getting nerfed or forced to redo equipment, as long as good new content or balance is brought about in the process. But then we have lots of people who are crying at even a suggestion of not even nerfing them... but of letting somebody else to catch up by eg. making the crafting easier (read: less luck based). So, as long as we have such toxic elements all over the community, we can't expect good feedback to seriously dominate and make the devs think through their decision. And unless devs get themselves to think through their decision and make better content to attract more better people, the community will only be growing in toxicity. Don't get me wrong, I don't consider any criticism (or even slight insults) toxicity. But seriously, the behaviour of some people, who are defending their privilage gained solely by means of luck or just exploits, can't be named in any other way.
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  17. Aslandroth

    Aslandroth Regular

    I feel like I have to address this with two points. First, the elephant in the room that I simply do not understand is WHY DOES BP HATE EDGED WEAPONS? Seriously 1H or 2H why are the best weapons stupid police batons and hammers or some ridiculous variation of them? What is wrong with a sword or dagger or axe? For my money, nothing beats the look of a badarse 2H axe or a big broadsword. This is just my opinion but seriously, (and I know this mostly applies only to DK) but what is the problem? Can anyone offer an opinion on this?

    As for your defense of the nerfs, I can say this. I went from lvl 15 or so to 50 or so using 1H. I had some kind of axe (I think Gwenfarra) and an AWESOME wolfslayer shield that I had gotten to T2. I just knew when I got T3 with my black warlord set I was gonna be king of the server. Well...... as fun as that was, things changed. Wolfslayer shield got nerfed in the most bizarre fashion imaginable, and 1H became non viable and I really hated it. I loved pounding the mobs at high speed, while blocking their attacks and didn't mind the fact that I burned 3 times the essence of other players cause I could survive, AND I could kill. Then it all went away and I fel into the meta. I worked hard to build what I have without cheats, without exploits, with a fair amount of real cash, AND surviving the actual theft of items I paid money for by BP. Did I have luck? Yeah just as much as anyone else. I also spent more for my "privilege" but keep in mind, the money I spent for what I have is what enables so many others the "privilege" of playing this game for free, so I will ask you to check your free privilege at the door because your statement is the verbal equivalent of a loaded diaper.

    The point being, any time we players don't stick together and present a united front, against ANY and ALL of the BS BP pulls, no matter how big or how small, BP wins. When one class accuses another of whining about this or that or imbalance of this or that (Even if some of it is legit) BP wins. When BP wins, they celebrate by selling more attire and by nerfing another drop, while saying it is what we asked for. NEVER give them an inch. Never complain about other players calling out BP for their cheats, lies, deceit, theft from players and BS. Otherwise they win. And when BP wins, this game will disappear.
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  18. NSDT-returns

    NSDT-returns Someday Author

    It's not like I don't want to refarm my stuff.
    I will refarm my "plat+" lines if they come out.
    My issue is mostly the lack of communication here.
    What I want is a clear and official answer to "Will there be better lines as plat coming with content expansion?"
    I'm considering it's a yes (I agree it's very likely but not 100% sure), and I currently stopped IDing to save 99-100 lines, stopped crafting too and started piling glyphs / gold.
    I just find it bad that they can't tell us if it's worthless to spend ressource in crafts now when they already know the answer.

    About your point, I really hope this content expansion gives us brand new content with a decent storyline, interesting boss fights and a REAL SET BALANCE. I wish there were more than the actual 2 viable sets meta (bloodmoon+easter endgame 55 / q7 early-midgame 55) when we have loads of existing sets that could be good if reworked.
    Having at least 4-5 viable sets in early / mid / late 60lvl is needed, having 2h / 1h + block / 1h + quiver viable sets would be a really good thing too.
    I'm just afraid this extension ends up being a few skills and letting us in the same meta as before, with the same PW farm, with same event running around. I don't want to reafrm same weapon, sets at 60 like I did at 55 then spend hours corefarming in Q1/event bosses). I already did that.
    I really hope I'm wrong about the lvl60 endgame.

    I heard rumors that they were planning on nerfing ice sphere. Such a thing would be a great improvement, bringing Q4 back in the meta for mage while still letting Q7 and bloodmoon on the market. Add a few 1h / old set buffs (balor/gwen/a new sargon set?) to that and you can get a mage with 5+ viable sets. Add to that the possibility of a mage viable bulky build for inf6-7 (cube set + def dragan ?) and it would be really good.
    That's what I really want from this extension. Every class having 5+ sets to work with, the ability of going for more or less bulk, more or less mobility and burst within the sets ... (also every class able to compete in dps and essence costs)

    I really wish level 60 ends up being this versatile update with quality content and the ability of having many builds. I think that's what most player want too.
  19. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    Lightning strike will still remain a bad substitute for frozen sphere, because it has terrible AOE and the q4 set also is bad, because the set bonus is useless.

    Buff lightning strike instead of nerfing frozen sphere.
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  20. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    Probably not "better than plat" in the sense of no new "tier" of the lines. However, the plat lines will simply be better and the ones you have already in uniques can't be increased. The others can though, and can offer you a nice boost when you craft them early on.
    I can assure you that PW won't be the same. Whether it is going to be better or worse, it's a different question.