Linking PVP level to PVE level

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  1. ARRAV

    ARRAV Forum Apprentice

    Thank you FFS for such a good reply! I totally agree.
     
  2. Muscle

    Muscle Forum Pro

    That's a terrible idea.

    +1
     
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  3. ~IceAngel~

    ~IceAngel~ Junior Expert

    Try being a new player ..you just got to lv8 on your first day..try say "oh i want to try pvp" then you get paired against centurions and seasoned legionnaires in 1v1 about 5 times who are your level or lower and you clearly don't stand a chance..right away you would assume they been playing a few days longer than you so you keep farming and leveling..wrong they been that level 3 months in their level bracket then they humiliate you by letting exhaustion kill you. A few days later you try again and you feel confident, you are 3 levels higher now you go in and the same person beats you up the same way. Its not just one or two people its about 4/10 people ever since mentor bonus a lot of people with a first account go to low levels to bully new players and f2p.

    A lot of actually new player would say this is one of those "rich pay to win games" i think i will move on before they get into the game and learn to love it as many of us do.
     
  4. Muscle

    Muscle Forum Pro

    I can easily beat those players who do that FYI :)
     
  5. Muscle

    Muscle Forum Pro

    You're level 45 anyways, so why do you care? :p Let other people play their own way, they know what they are doing.
     
  6. ~IceAngel~

    ~IceAngel~ Junior Expert

    i care because i don't want the game to die in 1 year, people who want to abuse the pvp system to ruin it in just a short time if people continue like this i think..that is why pvp is so dead in Tegan
     
  7. dragons

    dragons Active Author

    Seeing level 10 with horse, while I'm level 41 without even the cloak talent really disturbs me. This mentor system is lame and imba...
     
  8. Talicni

    Talicni Forum Connoisseur

    You will spent same time as that lvl10 to get the horse, so It's same for all besides you will get to lvl45 and starting building a serious champ while they'll be wasting time on low lvls.
     
  9. multitoonz

    multitoonz Forum Great Master

    IMO anymore if you do not start PvP at lvl 1 then you have no chance later if you wait. I didn't pvp with my main toons, and they get creamed bad in arena when I decide to try a battle. Ardent Legionnaire at lvl 45 is just sad lol.
    So at level 12 I have a PvP dwarf that is ardent legionnaire. By the time I get around to leveling it up it will be hopefully KoTO. Only then will I have a half chance in arena with it at lvl 30+. Then by endgame the dwarf should be at least Flag Bearer, Marshall and it will still fail because it is a dwarf lol.
    What was I thinking...omg, a Field Marshall Dwarf will be as effective as a flyswatter against a Flag Bearer any other class....darnit.
    Time to park the dwarf and start over with another PvP toon...ugh.
     
  10. Muscle

    Muscle Forum Pro

    Only reason why not many people pvp in Tegan is because it doesn't even have many people. How do you know low level people don't pvp much anymore anyways? And no it wont kill the game, those who pvp in low lvl are just wasting time and missing most events. Maybe they have a plan, eg get to koto then level up to 45 and start beeing serious so they can play both pve and pvp.
     
  11. spiro_spula

    spiro_spula Forum Connoisseur

    There were level five doods on horses before the mentor system came around.
     
  12. Muscle

    Muscle Forum Pro

    FYI My mage had enough knowledge books for "Mount" talent in knowledge tree, before Mentor system even existed. I had enough knowledge books for "Epic Mount" with my dk before Mentor Bonus even existed, at level 25 or so, and now im level 45. I think pvping at low level is smart, but you will miss many events and opportunity of getting the best uniques at times.
     
  13. dragons

    dragons Active Author

    How do they do it?
    I cant get any books from PvPing except daily challenges. I do them everyday while I get only and very only the challenge for books, needing them most.
    How can I get more books if I get just few per day farming, and 250 per challenge.
    Where do I mistaken?
     
  14. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I have a different approach... it would be hilarious and great. I described it on the other forums, but I'll replicate it here.
    Loosen the level restrictions for match making at higher fame levels, But simultaneously tighten the restrictions for fighting people near your fame bracket.

    Only let people fight when they are within +/- 3 (maybe 4) fame levels. Remove the upper part of this restriction for anything Flag Bearer or above as they should already have maxed out their fame tree.

    Then within those bounds, let you fight people within...
    3 XP Levels for Ardent Recruit and lower
    5 XP levels if you are a Legionnaire to Ardent Legionnaire
    7 XP levels if you are Novice Centurion to Ardent Centurion
    9 XP levels higher or lower if you are Novice Knight of the Order to Seasoned Knight of the Order
    10 XP levels for anything higher.
    This would force these Level 35 Flag Bearers to level if they want to stop getting the tar kicked out of them by level 45 Marshalls and Field Marshalls while meanwhile giving Legionnaires like myself a chance to PVP and slowly move up in to those higher brackets. The other side effect is that twinks with LVL 10 KotOs would have almost no one to fight (except maybe a LVL 19 KotO :p) so the only way they could PVP again would be if they left the arena and explored the world of PVE.

    The only big issue I see with this is groups. What happens when you have a flag bearer grouped with a recruit and a candidate? The fame is so mismatched that it would be near impossible to find a TDM battle for that team. You could impose the same limitations (i.e. Groups interested in PVPing must be all within +/- 3 (maybe 4) fame levels and grey out the option if they are outside the appropriate level range) but that would likely piss a lot of people off... but hey, we all know that BP is not above pissing the player base off, so who knows, maybe this could work after all.
     
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  15. Muscle

    Muscle Forum Pro

    They already did this pathetic idea once, and EVERYONE regret it since NO ONE was getting matches. I took over 1 hour to get a single pvp match. So no, that's not a good idea... AT ALL!

    Yea you're doing it the right way, those low level guys do the same, but they have been playing for a very long time and saved alot.

    EDIT: Please refrain from double posts. Instead, use the "Edit" button.
     
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  16. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    That is because there are so many people who have just given up on PVP because of how screwed up it is. It would take time and the people who don't PVP at all to have a change of heart, but in the long run, it could work. As it is, the LVL 45 AKotOs and up would barely even notice a change (except that there would be less cannon fodder players) as they are the people who PVP the most anyway. And personally, I would rather have one fair fight every 15-20 min than a dozen that I'm guaranteed to lose the moment I enter the match.

    Also, when did they try this? I've been playing for over a year and a half and have never seen this. The last time I saw major complaints about the time it took to find matches was when they tightened the requirements of how close you had to be to your opponent's fame level... but without my idea of widening the XP level bracket. (And don't just say "about a year ago" give me a release number so I can go read the patch notes. http://drakensangonline.wikia.com/wiki/Updates)
     
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  17. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    They never tried this as you are suggesting. At one time (look around R090) they tightened up the split matching on fame but they never tied that to XP. Then came the flood of complaints about wait times from the twinks and the endgame OP players and they eased up on the fame matching restrictions.

    I really like your suggestion, _Baragain_, about combining both fame and xp levels in the matchmaking system. Sure, initially this will cause some longer wait times. But as you pointed out the biggest problem with wait times is that so many players do not play in the arena because it seems so hopeless and pointless to them.

    The PvE only players need to be the focus of any changes in the matchmaking system. Once they start playing matches the wait times will go away. I remember the days here on Tegan before (and shortly after) the fame tree was introduced. There was no considerable wait times for matches. And this was back when Tegan truly was an underpopulated server. The big difference back then was that almost everyone played some arena... just because it was fun and not a forgone conclusion of a doomed experience.

    Folks, you need to take the time to look around the game and notice how many players of all levels have no fame rank. Take the time to talk to them and ask them why. In most cases you will get the same answer, "what's the point? I'm just going to be fodder for some player that way outmatches me."

    There is no reason why we can't have one of the best arenas around. The only thing that is stopping us is telling the top OP players, "you're just going to have to take a back seat while we fix this so everyone can enjoy it."

    And just to make it clear how passionate I am about this... I build twinks, some with a significant amount of cash. But I am more than willing for those toons to take a hit if it means PvP is no longer the black spot of this game.

    Luck be with ye,
    Mikey,
    Tegan
     
  18. spiro_spula

    spiro_spula Forum Connoisseur

    @dragons, wisdom level is most of all defined by how long a character has been playing (because daily quests are the main source of wisdom). So if somebody made several characters but mainly played one of them and logged in only for daily quests and bonuses with the others, they would have low level but high wisdom.
     
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