P2P vs F2P

I am opening this thread because some people think that they have privileged status in this game if they are P2P and think that they are the reason for existence of this game.
I am sorry to disappoint you ... but you are not!

First of all you have to know how MMO games are making money. You can search the net and find many researches on this topic. I won't be providing links for my sources...intentionally.

So how do free-to-play games make money exactly?

ADS
Many free to play games are powered by ad revenue.

MICRO-TRANSACTIONS
So how do micro-transactions work? Usually, a player can buy small things for low prices , that enhance their play experience or add cosmetically to their online avatar, offering up premium bonuses that would give a competitive advantage.

Of course not all players put money down. According to creators of Zynga’s Farmville only between 3% and 5% of players actually ever spend any money on the game.

THE REST OF THE PLAYERS
So what’s the use of the other 95% of the people who aren't paying anything to play the game?

Usually, what drives people to play multiplayer games are one of two things:
1. Playing with friends : Many players want to spend online play time with friends.

2. To have a wide competitive experience : With a far larger pool of players provided by the low barrier to entry on the game, the paying player is more likely to find opponents within his or her skill range and is therefore more likely to be satisfied by the game and continue playing

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So if a player tries out a free-to-play game and they don’t pay micro-transactions, is the experience free? Well, not quite. Players who aren't paying aren't really customers anymore, they’re contractors employed by the game company to provide opponents for the paying players. As such the developers want to keep these types of players in the game as long as possible. This means that it often takes much longer to achieve things as a “free” player than it would in a paying game or than it would for a paying player in the same game.


So as you can see this game is not dependent on you(P2P) only ... it is dependent of all players.

So stop whining and thinking that you must have more privileges if you pay in this game.
We all have chosen to play this game. The only difference is P2P are using their wallet and F2P are using only their skills and brains.

 

I was in complete agreement with you up until this statement.

Paying doesn't make the better gear suddenly appear.
Paying doesn't let you skip the hundreds of hours of farming.
Paying doesn't make beating the bosses any easier.
Paying doesn't open up the upper levels (above 40) any easier.

I personally don't get all the complaining about how a person chooses to play the game.

Some whine about the free players, some whine about the pay players, some whine about the players who stay at low levels and farm with higher levels, some whine about those who have better gear, some whine about the lucky ones who got better drops. Some whine about what ess a player uses. The list can be endless for those who want to spend all their time whining.

 

I fixed that for you. And I only left the first line because the mods insist that payers don't get that type of advantage. But it wouldn't be the first time a company has lied to its subjects...

 

I like the post, very informative, but it may have been better to leave out the dig at the end about skills and brains. I'm not p2w, but I know plenty of people who pay every month (premium and andermant purchases) and also have skills and brains (and they are very tough to beat in PvP). The insult at the end only makes the message less likely to be considered serious. The phrase, "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" comes to my mind.

 

The majority of the player base, both F2P and P2P, is dumb. But I agree with your post. And I especially liked the gif.

(Ummm, what? Something "504 Gateway... [stuff]" just popped up on my screen. Should I be concerned?)

 

OP is obviously F2P (and mad). Not all P2P player have said that they are sole reason for existence of the game. Your very last line is insulting to all P2P players. Sad to say P2P will step on a F2P almost any day. Paying doesn't mean the lack of brains...love the logic. People spend money because of their love for the game, and wish to advance faster than others. Your jealousy is disgusting

 

So more brain means less money, i think i would be fine with less brain

 

Thanks Kiti.. for summing that up.

I love how @TheInfamous fixed that for @Rhysingstar , made me giggle (ps. 504 bad gateway happens to me too, it's okay).

I don't really care who pays blabla, but saying that your money keeps OUR game going is wrong and degrading towards us. And it's a lie. I had a few of those fights around, and what made me.. do facepalm, was the point where those payers are left without arguments and come telling me I should thank them for having a game to play. It's simply EDIT EDIT when they act like some charity who gives money so we could play.
You give money to be op and not to work on your chars like rest of us does. You don't give money to keep our (yours lol) game running. You don't care about that. You never said; uuuuu let me spend 4k euros so my game can keep running. You said; uuu let me spend 4k euros so I can pawn noobs in arena because that's the way I feel important in my life. Don't try fooling us, we're not retards. And we certainly don't own you anything.

PS. If we were jealous, we'd probably.. start buying here. But, games are for playing, shoes are for buying.

 

As a p2p, i never asked anyone to thank me so that they had a game to play. Your logic is funny. If games are for playing then shouldn't shoes be for wearing? Both games and shoes are for buying. Have you never bought a game on a console before you "played" it?

OP evidently expressed his discontent with p2p, as if p2p had no brains, which is obviously not true. Sure it may be my own perception of how he/she may feel but it is undeniable that OP has some sort of negative feeling. Not all p2p are cocky, and arrogant.

P2P players help out F2P a lot of the times.

I farm all day, do khalys mortis 1000 times and no good drops. It's as if you think we can just buy all the uniques we want. I bring the "F2P" players along so they can also get good itmes and share the joy of playing this game.

 

Yes, p2p doesn't mean that they don't use their brains and skills. Some people pay a bit just because they don't want to spend the whole day killing monsters. Some people have other things to do so paying saves them time. This game is made so that paying doesn't give you "special privileges". Everything that can be bought with ander/VIP can be earned through the game. Being f2p doesn't mean that you are smart. Being p2p doesn't mean that you are stupid. People can be stupid as f2p or smart as a p2p. There is no correlation between paying and brains.

 

I think this is little bad thread because you(=all of us) dont know BP's incomes or costs etc. at least i cant see any ad in here or in game... just because there are some advertise to watch(in some countries not all) that doesnt mean that the needed financing comes from ads. opener just turns this to support his argument.

 

Kiss and make up. You need them both; free to play (F2P) and pay to play (P2P) are ultimately reliant upon each other. I truly do embrace this philosophy.

 

OK, I have omitted the key word "only" ... unintentionally.
Meaning F2P are using only skills and brains ... without wallet ... P2P + wallet.

Yes it does.

Yes it does.

Yes it does.

Yes it does.

Of course ... that is what I have said in the beginning ...

Money got nothing to do with brains ... money got nothing to do even with P2P.
You would be surprised how rich and wealthy are some F2P but paying is not their way of playing games. Some players, including me, are considering paying as cheating. And you would be surprised how poor are some P2P, some of the P2P players are in condition to give up their last cent and living miserably for long time only to show off.
So paying in game got nothing to do with player's wealth or social status.

 

@trakilaki I have removed your second picture because these kind of graphics could be to "violent" for our forum.

 

The addition of the word "only" makes all the difference here. What once was an insult is now more of a political statement. Thanks for making that change

[Edit: I'm not sure that paying money makes uniques drop more often (at least, I haven't seen definite proof of that), but that was not specifically said. "Better gear" does not automatically mean "uniques", I know. Identifying a lot more legendary gear, with real-money-purchased CoTs, will obviously lead you to possess better gear, eventually, if you spend enough on CoTs. Buying red essences when you need to fight Destructor will, obviously, make it easier to beat that boss. Buying large rubies and sapphires will make PvP (and PvE) easier, etc. etc. There are many more examples.

Everything else I agree with - (putting aside the unique-drop-frequency thing that some people claim happens when you pay, and I have seen no proof of) - it makes practically everything in the game easier if you put money into it. Otherwise, no one would spend money... except for dyes and pets ]

 

Couple months back I read a news where it states that number of player playing free online games is shrinking. Despite low number of players, last year, the free online games like DSO , were making almost 18-20% profits. And the reason it point out is that most of the players who stayed and played kept spending more money in the game.

I view this game like businessmen who are trying to sell me their products. I will buy it if it benefits me. I am not "entitled" but when I buy the product I got every right to complain, if product is not up to the standard they advertised.

Lastly, Who benefits by categorizing players into different groups and infuriating ease others?

 

I've never really understood that. Is this game not for 'adults'? (18 years or older) I'm guessing by your use of apostrophes that you also share this sentiment. And that posting here will do nothing to change the current situation. But I just can't help citing hypocrisy; monsters literally fling around blood when they are hit, yet a similar action is too violent here?
This is not, by any means, an attack on you. I understand you're just completing your task as a mod.

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Whenever a P2P says that I should thank him for keeping the game online, as some of them do, I just sarcastically thank them for being so selflessly generous. lol (first time using this smiley, let me know if I used it incorrectly)

P.S: Thanks for the reassurance, Fairyqueen.

 

Actually, according to the Terms of Service agreement, a minor under the age of consent is allowed to play - with his/her legal guardian's permission. This came up somewhere, in some thread some time ago - that's why I remember. I would guess the same rule applies to the forum (but not 100% sure on that).

About the smiley - I'm pretty sure you hit it on the nose.

 

You didn't and that's great, means that part of my post wasn't about you. But believe me, others do that.
Games are for buying if they are not f2p like this one, it's simple. I don't have to buy anything here (in order to play); shoes I do have to buy (in order to wear them, pf). As simple as that.
I uum, never bought a game? This is the first one I play.

Thank you... for helping out f2ps since I'm sure none of them can kill anything without you. So generous of you to bring poor guys with you..

 

Lol what? I've met many "free players" as they claim they are playing very bad both in PvP and in PvE, so not sure what the heck your talking about there. Hahaha seriously sometimes you have to stop yourself.

Gotta emit you do make me laugh a lot with your posts. Congratz man.

Don't need to explain myself, cause if you reconsider and use your .... a little, you might understand what I mean it's wrong there.