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  1. deathXreaper

    deathXreaper Forum Greenhorn

    hi, am a new player to drakensang and its so painfull to see everyone at 50k plus dmg while am at 5K i have been playing so hard to get lvls and items and nothing then I heard that there was a shop after you kill a boss in parell world , this update really kills new players , pls stop making your players wanna quit the game please I heard that patch 219 is a lot better p
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  2. bram

    bram Forum Greenhorn

    + 1, agreed
  3. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    Good luck with that.
  4. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Duke

    I have no problem with the idea of no PW/event merchants. Simply put, dropping stuff feels much better than buying stuff.

    However, there is one issue I do have with this:

    There's a generation of players who could purchase everything. Including weak players who were carried once and got their PW/event set in one go, provided that they farmed enough currency. The new generation cannot purchase any sets and have to get the thing dropped, which is a matter of hundreds of runs. It's unfair.

    So, what can be done about this other than bringing the merchants back?
    I have an idea, but you'd burn me at the stake for that.
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2019
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  5. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Count Count

    Take away from those who have it...? That's the only kind of idea that would make you heretic in my eyes (=stake). :D

    Regarding the OP.
    It was possible to buy some uniques, but only if you farmed lots of materi and went onto the highest mode (literally, someone carried you there) and there bought them they would be useful... and even then it would bring you to 10k dmg or such. Maybe, if you were really lucky and got high bonuses, it would be 14k. For 50k it takes crafting.
    With crafting without platinum lines (golden lines only) you can reach about 40k. Max, with platinums and other crap, is somewhere over 60k.

    So what's the problem with crafting?
    1. You have to find lines first. A new player can't (unless somebody carries them), because the drop rate in low modes is... well, very low.
    2. You have to gather enough gold for numerous tries.
    3. The whole thing is random (or maybe more like "skewed-random", but can be called "random" in that some people get it easily, some less easily, and some cannot at all despite numerous tries. Your odds of getting the desired result are low, because you generally put only two really good items from which you craft, and two crappy ones. This is because when you "revert" the craft, you get back only the first two items. It would all make sense if it was returning all the four items... they were planning it to be that way in the begin, but then some people cried and they changed it. It's high time they finally brought that back.

    And, once again, the shop removal wouldn't be a problem if the drop rates were way higher... I wouldn't mind even stronger enemies if the drop rates were visible (eg. a few tries and you get the desired set unique - the states are random so it wouldn't be too OP) and the crafting revert gave back all the four items.
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  6. deathXreaper

    deathXreaper Forum Greenhorn

    I have reached lvl 55 i unlocked q6 and am still at 5K dmg i HAVE ITEMS T3 I cant even do fatal
  7. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    You'll need to post some pics or give more info so we can advise you better.

    I would say 5K damage is very low unless you are trying to go 1H. My newish test server ranger has 10K max damage with only 2 crafted items.
  8. Akageshi

    Akageshi Forum Duke

    Virtually yes :3
    In order to make the "theft" less obvious, it would take level 60 and perhaps unique items rework. That way, upon reaching the new level cap, everyone would have to farm for new sets. Not necessarily the same ones they had been using, because devs would have reworked the sets, so other sets would've been better to use now. I think it would be glorious... (if my conditionals make no sense, I'm sorry :[ It's some hardcore grammer right there). Ok ok, people with fully crafted gear would probably pick up their pitchforks and torches and start a riot.

    In any case, this would make literally everyone farm for everything the same way.
    Yes, old players would still have an advantage - they have gems, they have the old equip that would now be obsolete, but still kind of usable at least while exping to the new cap; but on the other hand, do they not deserve the advantage? We can't flatten everyone in an rp game...
    The main thing would be, everyone would have to get their gear in drop, not from merchants. Whereas now, we have people who bought their stuff (like I did), and people who can't :[

    Of course, again, drop rate would have to be adjusted.

    I think

    A. if uniques had fixed base values, you could just get one piece and you'd be sorted.
    -> in this case, drop rate wouldn't need to be increased much.

    B. But in case - and this is much more likely - that they kept the random base value rolls, you would need to get the same unique countless times (like these days), because naturally, you want the best base values, especially if you want to upgrade the item and pristine craft it, right?
    -> So in this case, drop rate would need a serious buff.

    Ok, in short. Level 60 might sort out the injustice of group 1 who bought their gear, and group 2 who have to farm for it.
    Now you can burn me :]
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  9. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Demigod

    just increase the drop rates massively
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  10. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Count Count

    Like... do you see it?

    All the devs have done is a massive troll.
    Really useful uniques have the same drop rates as before. The only things that they increased drop of are the useless uniques (in the endgame) like the regional sets and hardly used uniques like the yachak et co. and the dragon set.

    The only thing that the lvl60 would bring is a massive backlash: so many players would have to farm for stuff that the riot could perhaps cause some good changed... but, if the devs have to make changes, in order for players to have an incentive to persuade them to make the really needed changes, something is not alright, is it?

    The drop rate of uniques has to be increased, with no prerequisites. Period.
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  11. GamingMolt

    GamingMolt Forum Greenhorn

    +1 agree
  12. vegetadavid

    vegetadavid Forum Mogul

  13. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    Some items are practically impossible to get now that the boss shops have been removed from pw and event bosses. i'm looking at you, witch seeker belt.
  14. Talbor

    Talbor Someday Author

    That & trying to find a strong group who'll do 100's of runs with you until it drops is very unlikely, lol. I didn't think the yshould've done the shop to start with either and rather worked on the drop rates & game play instead, so weaker players can actually try to load the crap themselves.

    --- MERGED ---

    Hell I have a lot of T7 (I farmed from desert back when I had Premium) and struggle on Fatal now, lol. It's not the best, but still shouldn't be struggling like now. They've seriously jacked this game up badly.
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  15. javierpro

    javierpro Forum Greenhorn

  16. Hashtag

    Hashtag Forum Apprentice


    I will buck the trend and say flat out "NO". The game producer and developers need to swim in this one and reap the rewards of the unemployment line. I refuse to get on a knee and beg them to do their job correctly. They've had 8 years to treat their community with respect and they failed.

    Nope, they need to watch this all play out in a slow motion car crash and learn a very hard life lesson in the unemployment line.
  17. Theusen

    Theusen Advanced

    Uhmmm NO U DONT! Not from Desert U dont!
    Newsflash: Desert can max be played on inf3=T6!!! -not T7!

    Uhmmm no it doesnt! All uniques now have a MUCH higher droprate!

    EDIT U really think that once U reach lvl 55, U should be able 2 do fatal right off the bat??? *wipes tears of laughter of my face*
    But seriously dude: THINK about it what U are saying 4 a min! This game is supposed 2 be a longlasting thing!!! Something U can play 4 years and still improve Ur char! -if U want a game that stops being challenging after a few days go play Tetris or sumthing!
    I mean DUDE... This game have 8 difficulties for a reason!!! (Normal, Painfull, Excru, Fatal and inf 1-4) -It wanna make make sure U allwayz had a challenge! And Endgameplayers had no challenge B4 R220!!!

    Seriously guys: U need 2 stop whining so much over this shopping issue! Back in the old days, yeah we bought some of the wanted uniques, and then we started whining about how many matfrags that costed! (I mean... I didnt but many did!) Now U cant buy them anymore but the droprates have seriously improved, so what 2 do?
    -the answer is simple: Those matfrags U were gunna use 2 buy uniques with? Just go in and frikkin drop the item needed on a difficulty that U can handle and then use the matfrags 2 upgrade the item 2 the tier U need instead!

    ...Personally I like the fact that the game with the recent releases have gotten harder! -Back in the easy days I cant tell U how many people thought they could get T6-7-8-uniques the very same day they reached lvl 55... at least the game now punish those spoiled punks, and makes sure they die often in a nice and horrible way!
    -I like the fact, that U have 2 work HARD and LONG in order 2 get what Ur char needs! Granted; the game have gotten a bit 2 hard on infernal especially when we are talking bout bosses, but thats an issue thats gunna be resolved soon!

    -"But Theusen! Thats so UNFAIR! I started playing 6 weeks ago! And I have been playing so hard in those 6 weeks! I deserve the same items U have!!!"
    -Uhmmm NO U DONT! I have been playing for 10 years!

    -"But Theusen!... Thats so unfair! I deserve..."
    -Uhmmm NO U DONT! If U want something, U gatta WORK HARD 4 it!

    -"But Theusen! I dont wanna work! I dont wanna grind! I just want 2 have fun!"
    -Uhmmm I case U havent picked up on it yet, lemme break it down 4 U: This is... [SPOILERALERT]... a grindgame! It allwayz have, allwayz will be!
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  18. mirry1337

    mirry1337 Forum Greenhorn

    iwe playd exactly 1 month today and i do fatal problem ??
  19. Hashtag

    Hashtag Forum Apprentice

    I now want to change my vote from negative one (-1) to negative one million. It's exactly this type of toxic OP players response that amplifies resentment. Theusen, you've created yourself a very lonely island of OP by trading real life over the last 10 years. Enjoy your island. The sea water is rising.
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  20. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Take cover in Harbor of Lost Souls.

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