Ranger green arrows

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  1. ~IceAngel~

    ~IceAngel~ Junior Expert

    would is be possible if green arrows could restore concentration like in mages...or at least not use any at all , It's frustrating seeing the "insufficient concentration" messages because i have over 2'00 speed and there is nothing i can do about it but wait for it to come back and its a very big flaw with rangers where the other classes do not have this problem.
  2. Sizer

    Sizer Forum Apprentice

    Use deadly blow :) I think 2,00 it's enough and perfect speed for rangers.
  3. partycrasherforever

    partycrasherforever Forum Apprentice

    yeah as sizer said ur speed's really great ,try to use deadly blow ...it will be hard at first but once u get the hang of it,it's really great.......or u can reduce a bit of ur speed and focus more on dmg tht way u dont run out of conc quickly and do more dmg without being a sitting duck
  4. ~IceAngel~

    ~IceAngel~ Junior Expert

    yeah i hope they can make it so concentration restores a bit quicker i hate not being able to do anything because i have no concentration left
  5. partycrasherforever

    partycrasherforever Forum Apprentice

    i think we need more gar tht give + conc. enchantment ike mages (they dont even need tht much mana)...predator and vest of destruction r too rare....and the ancestral wolf quiver and tht ring of hunter suck bad
  6. Ningo

    Ningo Forum Apprentice

    You have excellent attack speed so as mentioned before you should try using deadly blow.At start it will be hard because of it's low range but you should get used to it later and if you pick the level 40 talent for it you will do tons of damage on enemies and restore concentration which helpes.About the gear thing it's true.Mages have a lot of items giving them extra mana(like Grimmag's Star Robe or Starlight) and their mana regen is faster,not to mention the teleport which gives mana.That's why you should try to get items that give you more concentration(sadly those items are very rare).Also adrenaline gives you concentration so try to use it for it's best.The attack speed you have gives you great advantage but also makes it harder for you to play at some moments.I agree with you.There should be a talent that make hunting arrow cost 0 concentration.Hope this helps.
  7. daywaker2

    daywaker2 Forum Demigod

    I think rangers have too much dmg. They just need green shot +big shot and over to mages... just warrior can stand them a bit.
  8. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    wow... I want to swear at you for being such a noob... but I'm not about to get banned 2 days after the new forums are opened.
    [kreg] likes this.
  9. [kreg]

    [kreg] Someday Author

    Don't be a fool! Even in char. description the ranger is called an add on to SW orDK. a back up if you will. it takes a lot of exp. and time to get good enough to compete as an oppnet to them. when a group is being gathered you ever hear someone say " hey be sure to get a ranger"? No not ever! By the way what class is your toon and what server are you on?

    :Johnlittle, Tegen, lvl 45 Ranger, FlyingTigers
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2013
  10. sdknightno1

    sdknightno1 Advanced

    Well I can tell you that deadly blow works great in pve but not so well in pvp. In pvp, getting close to the DKs to use deadly blow is risky and not worth it, and getting close to the SWs is almost impossible. So in pvp rangers will always run into the concentration problem.
  11. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    I agree with you that Rangers will run into the Concentration problem. But if Hunting Arrow didn't require Concentration it would be OP. A lot of rangers hit 600s or more on me with Hunting Arrow. If they can just shoot it forever, there is just nothing I can do. Watchman gets pierced so its pretty much useless. I can just try to hide behind an obstacle.
  12. sdknightno1

    sdknightno1 Advanced

    But don't a lot of SWs hit the same/higher with magic missile? I've been hit 1200+ with magic missiles before...With no mana problems and fast cast speed, it is much deadlier than hunting arrow.
  13. ArcaneMaster

    ArcaneMaster Active Author

    hunting arrow= magic missle+frost missle+ chain lightning and here is why

    Magic missle: 70% dmg + 5 mana regen with talent
    1. Mysterious Charge - 5 mana regen
    Ice missle: 30% dmg, reduced travel speed by 50% for 2,0 with talent
    1. Frostbringer - 2,0 meters radius.
    Chain of Lightning: 45% dmg with 3 hops with talent
    1. Charged Lightning - Mark eneies only for 3 secs for 33% extra dmg on all lightining spells. (useless as mage alwasy play with fire skills. nevertheless)

    Now comes the op hunting arrow:
    1. 60% dmg, 30% higher than ice missile and 15% than chain and 10% lower than magic missile
    2. Mark enemies for DOUBLE dmg on ALL DMG skills, where as sw only get it for lighting skills (there are only 2 and no one uses them in pvp) and for 33% :(
    3. Peirce obstacles - it does 2 hops and it also peirces obstacles but chain fails :(
    4. Slows enemy down for 5 sec with the help of Long-Lasting Mark where as sw can only slow down for 3 sec
    5. THIS IS A COMPARISON OF 1 Rangers skill HUNTING ARROW VS 3 SW SKILLS. its like asking sw to shoot ice / magic / chain lighitng at once and then shoot fireballs... this is by far the most op skill after sw explosion and dks healing. wonder how can ppl ask for more??
    rangers have predators that make them achieve 2.0 speed quite easily with very high dmg. but that doesnt mean u shoot all out and ask for concentration?
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2013
  14. sdknightno1

    sdknightno1 Advanced

    You forgot another experience talent that gives 40% damage to magic missiles and another fame talent that gives another 33% damage to it, totaling 130% damage per missile. With fast attack speed, magic missile can easily out-damage marked precision shots.

    So as you can see the point of magic missile is not to slow, it is to kill. It doesn't need to slow if it can just kill fast. SWs have other plenty of slowing skills while rangers has only 1 - mark. All of SWs' slowing skills slow 20% more than mark and also slows 50% attack speed, which is devastating in pvp. In fact imagine magic missiles costing 5 mana to cast but being able to slow 30% like ranger's mark - how op this would be.

    And also, you can't really say that marking doubling the damage is an advantage. All you can really say is that without the double markings, ranger skills are much much underpowered.

    Really, to rangers, hunting arrows aren't as amazing as you described them to be because most rangers would rather save up their concentration for precision shots. Having to mark first with hunting arrow before being able to deal full damage with precision shot is actually a major drawback of rangers.

    As for predators, well let's just say I don't have it even after 2 years of playing. Also, there are SWs with 2.0 speed too, but when they spam their magic missile their mana doesn't drop the slightest :(.

    Lastly, some corrections for you:
    -chain lightning is actually very useful and mages do not always play with fire spells.
    -hunting arrow do not pierce obstacles
    -Compare this:
    30% slow x 5 seconds = 150% total slow
    (50% movement slow + 50% attack speed slow) x 3 seconds = 150% total movement slow + 150% total attack speed slow.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2013
  15. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    Why did you guys start comparing skills of different classes? You can't possibly compare 1 class to another. They're completely different and the only thing you guys are doing is taking into account specific skills.

    The Hunting Arrow is fine as it is. It takes Concentration and doesn't allow rangers to shoot infinitely and possibly keep their target marked for the entire time.(if have good aim) It hits pretty high. Marks target and allows Precision to hit 2x. Plus slows.

    The Magic Missile doesn't slow and doesn't make anything else hit higher. It just hits high.

    As a matter of fact, the number of mages that hit 1200+ magic missile is about the same as the number of rangers that can 1 shot me with unmarked precision shot.

    So I will say that, on terms of damage, Magic Missile is better. But in the long run Hunting Arrow has more advantages as it allows user to hit 2x while slowing enemy. And... you don't have to keep shooting it... just shoot it once and then precision.

    How useless would Magic Missile be if it required mana and didn't even have any negative effect on enemy?

    So, now, choose: Magic Missile or Hunting Arrow. If you're a ranger and picked Magic Missile, you're gonna have a bad time.

    What I'm trying to say is that the Magic Missile is good for mage, and Hunting Arrow is good for ranger. If you start to compare them without taking each class into account in its ENTIRETY, you won't get anywhere. Just more arguments and assumptions.
  16. sdknightno1

    sdknightno1 Advanced

    I dunno, I kinda wanna try being a ranger who can spam magic missiles :)

    But honestly, I don't think either magic missile or hunting arrow is better in the long run. Each skill serves a different purpose.

    But how about lowering the damage of hunting arrows but removing the concentration cost? SWs ice missiles have no cost...
  17. Blosnix

    Blosnix Forum Mogul

    Have to chose "battle frenzy" as talent if you can't deal with it. Alternatively you mustn't spam so many hunting arrows.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2013
  18. ArcaneMaster

    ArcaneMaster Active Author

    first of all good to see u in new forum sdknight.. hello there.
    now since we are in correcting business here a list of correction :D

    well i dint put that in equation as its common to all classes (including rangers, check ranger).
    its called "Better Basic Combat Techniques" lvl 10 pvp talent, just incase if u have missed it :D

    so u are suggesting sw use magic missile with 40% dmg bonus over ice missle and play with weaker fire ball? well m a spell-weaver and i can tell from experience that's a very bad decision. unless u are p2p and can manage to take tons of hits and have high dmg.

    like what? Singularity? Frost Nova? frost wind? that impose cold making enemies slower?
    so what about rangers Hunting Traps? Net? Bird of prey? Blade dance? Thicket of Thorns? and Death Swing(bad choice though)?.
    if my math is right rangers got 6 slowing skills and sw got 3.

    lol are u sure this is what u actually believe in? lets put in this way

    have u heard of criti? basically criti does 100% extra dmg(minimum).
    so if ranger has 1x base dmg he does 4x criti dmg on marked targets. ranger crit dmg is by far most op than any class in DSO.

    agreed. this is something m trying to work on my ranger. but honestly i have my speed around 1.7+ and able to hit marked targets more often. grinding is boring but predator keeps me motivated :D

    corrections over corrections :D
    its not 50% attack speed slow its 10% on all sw skills
    and may be its just me .. i dont mind drop of 20% travel speed for 2 sec extra slowdown. that might let sw take more hits on highly mobile rangers
  19. ~IceAngel~

    ~IceAngel~ Junior Expert

    Maybe as a level 45 tallent for pvp one of the options could be green arrows doesn't use concentration that way not everyone gets it just some(me)
  20. NightWalker

    NightWalker Board Analyst

    That would mean rangers can spam green arrows like crazy, really deadly blow is a good skill (especially with the exp tree talent). I think concentration is fine the way it is now. There are equips or sets that adds concentration. For example, predator adds 20 concentration already at level 40 :) Great shortbow btw. Using adrenaline would restore full concentration.
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