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  1. gun

    gun Forum Great Master

    I don't even want to start cross classes comparison yet in term of pvp.
    I can die in 1-2 hit and kill in 1-2 hit.
    Sometimes I did so less damage to an opponent "what am I fighting here?!? PW mini boss?! Sometimes my opponent did so less damage to me.
    But of course in some fights I've met equal opponents in all classes. Playing skill & the right combo matter here.

    So it's a gap. Not only characters gap but also skill gap.

    I always looking forward to meet opponent in any class that is stronger & have better playing skill than me. Because it is the only opportunity for me to figure it out what am I lacking off & recognize what are their moves.
    For the same class opponent I can copy their good moves. And for different classes I can try to figure it out counter moves if in particular fight they show similar moves.
    No. Mostly I can not win this kind of fight, but I can prolong the fight. And sure thing if I met equals opponent I'm ahead and have better chance to win.

    I can not say particular class have better skill set than the other. I don't believe that. Because the situation is exact the same when I play other classes.
    What I do believe is those 2 type of gaps. And those gapss will make my character stronger and improve my playing skill.

    I suggest to focus on your character and your self. Focusing on the other way arround would not improve your character or playing skill even by a bit.
     
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  2. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I know plenty of people from Tegan. You are right that you are well known... They all laugh at the mention of your name.

     
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  3. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Their?
    DSO Wiki is not BP's property. It has been founded and maintained by dedicated players who are spending their time providing info to all new and old players ...
    [EDIT] - please refrain from targeting "selfish noobs"
     
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  4. Sunlight

    Sunlight User

    Hey there heroes,

    Let's calm down and return to our main topic... ;)

    I was really appreciating to read your point of view related with classes and balancing measures that should be applied.
    Let's put away our personal/gaming differences :p

    Let us know what you think. We are reading and forwarding those questions to our Team. Do not forget ;)

    Cheers,
     
  5. UndergroundKiller

    UndergroundKiller Forum Expert

    You don't know even how to quote posts...

    But that's not the problem.
    I hate when someone talk about "OP class". Not every character of a class is over power.

    Or I should complain about fireballs that hit me with 12-13k damage, but that doesn't happen with all SWs.

    Again, the problem (sure, in my opinion) is that everybody think to go against PW bosses, wich have 100000000000000000000000000 hp and big damage.

    In pvp i use predator with wich i have 1.7k damage. Those damage are ok to defeat other players, 1h dks too, even if it needs a lot more time.
     
  6. fab

    fab Advanced


    If thats not a main problem why you should post it in the forum for quoting.
    Did you guys complain rangers hittting sw the same damage as well, or maybe u forgot about it too.
    Maybe you dont understand the problem here does most of the sw have 12-13k hp or maybe 6-7k hp, maybe 10% of the sw have 12-13k hp in a server.
    EA travel speed is so much faster and more effective and blade dancing is everywhere and they do that in order to avoid receiving damage from sw.
    MAx talent for fireballs is only 126% and Frozen sphere is crazy slow and distance is so short and easy to avoid, Rangers marking slows u down so much and eagles hit is almost 100%.
    EA is shooting almost from every corner, whats happens is even the arrows doesn't hit you and explosive will still do tons of damage
     
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  7. UndergroundKiller

    UndergroundKiller Forum Expert

    If you read some more threads, you'll see my poll to change Explosive Arrows, so I know maybe as you, how much is unfair that skill, but is like fireballs, shot somewhere hoping to hit the enemy (talking about 1v1).
     
  8. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I think we need a BloodyNeo (#6 on the PvP leader board on his server) vs Fab (#9 on the PvP leader board on his server) thread where they can complain to each other about how weak their class is compared to everyone else. LudiGrozd can even stop in and complain about how the DK is useless in PvP compared to the DPS classes.

    I think that the real problem that guys like Fab and BloodyNeo have is that they can be defeated by people who are much lower ranking than them and they think that, because of their rank, nobody but the handful of people near their rank and above them should stand a chance against them. The problem is that they fail to consider what Gun talked about in his post above. The classes are reasonably balanced (compared to what they were), and there is a skill gap and a character gap. With Crafting 2.0, many players have been able to close the character gap by crafting smart and they are too arrogant to consider that some of these newer players may have a higher level of skill. Like Gun said, they ought to learn from those matches and make adjustments to their play style. When I lose to a RA, a SW, or a Mech, I learn something and hopefully don't make the same mistake next time. Guys like Fab and BloodyNeo don't learn, they complain.

    Finally, as I've said more times than I care to count, If you think that making a strong DK is so easy, then quit wasting time on your SW or your RA and make a DK. Then, in 6-12 months, you can be complaining about all the SWs, RAs, and SMs that are "OP" when you realize that DKs are not the walk in the park that you thought they were.
     
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  9. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    In a server like agathon, anybody in the top 1500 of the leaderboard can potentially take out anybody else if they're smart about gear, play style, and skill selections.

    (In agathon, somewhere around 875 is the 3,600,000 mark which is marshal which is pvp level 43.)

    It's also helpful if you have the ability to morph your playstyle as situations call for it.

    Other legal ways of boosting your performance - strong internet connection, large monitors, excellent input devices, sufficient cpu and gpu all to eliminate hardware and connection concerns during a match.

    I'm using a 27 inch 1440p monitor, g13 gameboard + g700s mouse, and 105 mbps internet and wired ethernet connection for the vast majority of my pvp matches. The second mostly scenario is on the laptop, and then its usually still the g13 + g700s but with an AC wireless connection and 1080p 15.6 screen. I definitely notice the difference.
     
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  10. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    And then there are guys like me. I don't PvP much because I don't enjoy it like others do, but because of my time spent in PvE grinding gems/glyphs/gear and the gear gear I've crafted, I have stats that rival many of the top 1500 (or even the top 100). I'm only about 3000 (just 1 million points SKotO), but I've been able to beat Grand Marshals with LVL50 PvP. Then there have been matches where an Ardent Centurion shows up, I chuckle to myself expecting an easy fight, and then they wipe the floor with me. Rank isn't everything, nor is character stats, nor is skill. It is the intersection of those three things that determine a match. In 5v5, 6v6, and to a somewhat lesser degree 3v3, you are at the mercy of your teammates, and a crappy team can mean defeat for even a strong, talented, high ranking player. But in 1v1, if you don't win, there is only one person to blame and you can see them by taking a look in the mirror. Some people would rather blame the developers, and those are the ones that come to the forums whining and crying.

    *Minor Rant Ahead*
    In all honesty, there is no class that gives me more trouble in 1v1 than RAs using shields who are smart enough to not use their wolves/tree. Second place goes to the speedy glass cannon SWs who couldn't even survive one swing or a jump, let alone a charge or a smash, but hit me with a 9k crit fireball and telaport/run when ever I get within visual range. Those same SWs might have trouble against a RA since it is a game of who has better aim from across the screen, but a DK gets obliterated. And those shield RAs might have an easy time against a hard hitting DK, but they don't stand a chance against a SM who lures them into range of the turrets and then runs and heals while the RA gets chipped away by turrets.

    There is moderate balance, but the key thing that is missing is the temporary stun immunity that we used to have. Put that back in, and DKs lose the ability to chain stun off of Iron Brow or Bleeding Charges. Also, SWs lose their chain stun abilities from frost nova/frost wind/chain lightning. Meanwhile, RAs and SMs are almost totally unaffected due to the few stuns they had to begin with, and they are the biggest winners in this scenario. Problem is, even if this were implemented, our resident crybabies would just find something else to cry about.

    PS, I'm still all for giving RAs some sort of crossbow that has true 2H damage and no quiver/shield. I'm sure that there would be a mass migration to the new weapon until all the RAs realized that it isn't as strong as they think it is when their crit goes down by 20%-30% and if they want to keep their crit up, they'll end up making sacrifices elsewhere and their defenses go down or their crit damage goes down. I'd also love it if DKs had a 1H weapon with the damage/speed of a longbow, decreased rage costs, and allowed it to be used with a shield. I'm sure that it would become the new weapon of choice for DKs everywhere and we'd start seeing 1H DKs with 3500-4000 damage while being tanky as hell and then everyone would complain about how OP that combination is. Yet that is what RAs can do right now, yet they whine and complain.
     
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  11. thuglifederp

    thuglifederp Active Author

    After 59runs ( legit 59 runs) in q3 my best friend got the weapon and I have yet to see my first unique item dropped in pw.

    Off topic I know, I just wanted to share my pain with someone..
     
  12. Llogos

    Llogos Junior Expert

    The only thing that the mage needs, is a nice NERF. Exactly how it happend with the other classes. And of course, changing the mind control, to work as it suppose to work. While player and end bosses have immune on mind control, the mind control was not successful and therefore not being able to use the skills with 0 cooldown times.
     
  13. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Yep that is the best way to nerf rangers and show those who claim rangers need 2h weapons that rangers with their skills can't function like the other classes :D
     
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  14. fab

    fab Advanced

    Fireballs doesnt explode like EA and its a BIG JOKE that rangers the only unique class which can equip longbow with a shield, you are telling me that sw only shoot fireballs and hoping to hit opponents and rangers doesnt do that. their range is much more further and fast did you complain about that as well.
    Bows with lower concentration cost and does that applies to sw weapon.
     
  15. UndergroundKiller

    UndergroundKiller Forum Expert


    First of all, I'm comparing the similiar way of using fireballs and EAs: shot from long distances, looking at the points on map.

    Second, ranger's concentration recover in a lower amount that a mage (both 2handed and 1handed), so that 20% less concentration spent with longbows, it's not so big of a problem.

    Third, longbows are 1handed weapons, so the max bonuses are lower (50% IWD, 70 dmg, 50% crit dmg and like 750 crit rate) then 2handed weapons' bonuses (80% IWD, 110 dmg, 80% crit dmg and something like 1400 crit rate if not even more). But that poin is fine for me; I got a quiver/shield to gain the stats differences.

    Fourth, Longbow have same if not lower damage than a 2h sword/axe, that have lower damage than 2h mace/staff/gun.
    But, at the same time, longbow have the same attack speed of 2handed mace/staff/gun.
    So, now?
     
  16. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    That is Fab. :D
    No one here is taking him seriously.
    He was purposely trained wrong ... as a joke.
     
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  17. fab

    fab Advanced


    You are saying that every hit from mages is a crit burning ur life away, even at 80% crit value doesnt guarantee that every hit is a crit
    Take a look at showcase your ranger there are tons of players which damage is so much superior than mages.
    Skills already so much difference let alone those weapon equip is another failure too, Oh give us a reason why longbows can be equip with a shield and why other characters can't.
    If Bp wanna let rangers stay in that OP form theres nothing i can say, marking skills with 2 x damage and yet crit shots i can say is another bonus to them.
    Trak sounds more like crying baby to me, he cant stand players who said rangers is OP maybe he is just another noob to me whihch he got absolutely no playing skills except in forum as a keyboard warrior.
    He can stay in a OP form as long as you guys want, or maybe the developers want.
    So how, play a mage urself and discover or maybe post a video with a mage vs dk or ranger ( field marshal vs field marshal ) !
     
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  18. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Smell it, smell it, smell it ... now take it.

     
  19. UndergroundKiller

    UndergroundKiller Forum Expert


    Where did I wrote that every mage's fireball is 100% critical hit?
    Tell me, Please. I can't find where I wrote that.




    Oh, again you talk about longobow+quiver?
    Here is the answer to your question:
    BECAUSE LONGBOW HAVE THE SAME BASE ATTACK SPEED OF YOUR STAFF, WITH LOWER BASE DAMAGE AND LOWER BONUS (max 50% WEAPON DAMAGE, max 70 DAMAGE, nearly max 750 CRIT RATE, max 50% CRITICAL DAMAGE).
    SO, RANGERS NEED SOMETHING TO CLOSE THE GAP BETWEEN 2HANDED WEAPONS.




    (I got a mage, lvl 42, Novice Knight of the Order, never shopped, 2M glyphs farmed alone, with no block exp.
    I play 1handed, with full legendary, mechanical set's torso, pink amulet upgraded and Kara's cloack t1.
    Doing PvP I usually find Flag Bearer/Marshall etc. and i kick their asses most of the time. Mages, rangers, dks or dwarves, at 80% of the times, they loose.
    What I want to mean is that PvP needs skills to be played, not just "press a button to shot from 10km distance")




    I saw a crybaby too... It's you.
    Poor guy, you payed to be good at DSO, to say "I'm better than you", you were proud of it.
    And then you got kicked in the ass by lots of players.
    You can't even never understand how much I'm sorry fo that. So I will give you a gift...

    *Open the present with soundtrack of Link opening boxes*

    -Wooow, It's a tutorial to solve my problem... it says:
    Stop your childish complaints, open "drakensang online", write your account name and password, select your server, click on the mage you have, click "delete character" and, in the end, click "no"-

    *thinks how UndergroundKiller is a brutal and cruel girl. Starts flaming*
     
  20. fab

    fab Advanced


    You seems like a begger asking not to nerf the rangers, we are playing on end game characters not lvl42 or lvl50.
    If marking doesnt grant a 2 x damage then its fine for mages to accept it, you does not know what is the game is all about and what you wanted is just OP OP characters.
    I have been in the game since beta period where lightning shot is still available, BTw how long have you been in this game and rangers with longbow with a Shield, its a joke.
    Can mages equip a 2H staff with orb as well, lvl up before u quote !
    Ya i know you are better than me in lots of dying in pvp
     
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