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  1. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    I just remember when EA was exploding in air, all the complaints caused the remove of the explosion, now mages without any skill as a players do the regular spam they ever did but with the plus of a perma-singu and no complaints here, is impressive, how only buffing certain classes is allowed in this game.
    0 cooldown on all abilities, gg BP, the brains at that office would be good for an investigation.
    Not enough with buged MC for bosses but let's give them permanent singularity too, for bosses and PvP. Brilliant.
  2. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    0? More like ~8s, 5s for teleport.
    They're changing bossfights anyways, all the skills will work on them... even if it's at cost of increased hp, I am for those changes.
    Think that way: Armor breaks will work. Thence it'll be worth to put singu on both themselves and on the boss.

    The whole problem is that the ranges are messed up. As I already said somewhere, it should be RA > SW > SM >>> DK. We all know what it is. The rest with how the skills work, what hitboxes they have etc. seems alright... as long as they made the ranges as I pointed out above.

    Back then I was for simply adding some lights and generally improving the skill's visibility, as it was very hard to see and being hit with EA was simply "dying for unknown causes"
  3. Dzungla

    Dzungla Forum Expert

    And it happened again! :mad:


    Well, maybe that HG bug is just a trigger for those players (us, grrrr :D ), but like I said in my previous post - it is an old bug causing the daily challenge buffs + costume (and this time not/haven't got one, but pwe 2 mins buffs) also.

    Bug is probably somewhere in often map changing (pvp 1v1 same as like mf farm etc.), buff transfers or smt.
  4. Jhinstalock

    Jhinstalock Active Author

    As some of you have already stated, there's a very clear difference in class strength. Please give your opinions on these statements.

    Mages have too reliable crowd control and higher damage due to low resistance in PVP.

    Healing encourages a playstyle of running, rather than perhaps giving DK's higher starting HP.

    Dwarves have only 1 reliable CC, and low range.

    Rangers have too much difficulty using their CC and marking targets before using heavy hitters. (Mark gets removed by cc removers)

    Extra note: Frozen sphere costs 50 mana so you can quickly toss out 2 after stunning someone. Explosive arrow is 53 concentration if using a bow with concentration reduction, so you have essentially a 1 second cooldown on EA. Isn't this a rather big deal?
  5. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    It is, but seems that here only matter a problem when it is in harm of an specific class, clearly not rangers.
  6. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    It is not just DKs that are inferior ... rangers are also inferior against SWs, mainly because of
    - reduced range on their skills
    - lower damage than SWs
    - SW's elemental damage
    - fast performing stunning set of skills with ability to spam over and over again because of the short cool-down time.
    - HP is almost the same ... often they have higher HP than rangers (how would be that possible I have no idea ... especially when you have all max stats on items which means rangers would always have higher HP)
    And I don't think that is the case because of cheating. No that is not the case.
  7. piteris2

    piteris2 Regular

    Correct. Also the single-biggest problem at lower level PvP is twinks who cause so many new players who like the multiplayer aspect of this game to leave. It’s not twinking in the true sense of the word, but it’s still pretty impossible for the average player at, let’s say level 25, to beat a similar-level player with level 40-50 items...
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  8. Theusen

    Theusen Padavan

    Really? I have read this tread a LOT, cuz devs 4 some reason seem 2 listen 2 complaints unless its against DKs ofc which have been overpowered since the game was created...
    And I have read Trakilaki complaining about rangers not being OP anymore, but this is just SILLY! Traki is making statements like "Rangers have the shortest range of all the classes!" When evry1 knows that is owned by the DWs... Ur actually the upkeeper DSOwiki, and yet U make SO many false statements, that Ur only superseded by BP themselves when they claim that "PvP is a tremendeous succes"...
    Can U please stop saying incorrect things like: "HP is almost the same ... often they have higher HP than rangers (how would be that possible I have no idea ... especially when you have all max stats on items which means rangers would always have higher HP" U actually KNOW that SW have the lowest HP of all 4 races!!!
    U know as well as I, that at least ½ of Ur claims are incorrect or even downright WRONG! -And 4 U 2 actually hop on the bandwagon and state that SWs are the OPrace in anything is so bad, dude!
    Realise that the ELOsystem is not working (cuz nothing is working in PvP) and Ur getting matched w other players at random, and sometimes U get pitted up against a player that plays better than U, and has better items than U... Thats just how the world works!

    -And now I have the box open lets dont 4get 2 rant on DKs in general...
    DKs have allwayz been favored by BP and has allwayz throughout the history of this game been the strongest race, the easiest race 2 play and the first 2 complain, when playing is not just a walk in the park...
    Claiming that SWs rule DKs is just as hilarious as it is sad, especially since there are actually people out there who believe this... It just proves that stupid people are everywhere; they are not exclusive 2 the BPdevteam!
    This endless discussion could actually be solved: Just create a 1v1 PvP where different people could sign up, and 4 the duration of the match, their items would be the same! So if U chose DK, U would get items with 100% on all white lines, tier 8, and so would an SW or a RA or a DW...
    -that would actually be an interesting experiment, but 1 that BP would never grant sadly...

    Just STOP being so childish people! If U wanna play PvP (Personally Id rather watch paint dry) and rule, then pick DK or DW, if U wanna suck at PvP, then pick RA or SW!
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  9. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    Ok I am not going to be nice anymore.
    My being nice was me keeping quiet about the classes.
    Spellweavers are OP maybe they should change all their attacks to physical in pvp only.
    Funny how I said not to nerf dks and they did...
    Let me explain it to you in terms you can understand
    All classes have low resistances due to the need for hp in rings and no gems runes etc.
    Spellweaver is the only class that does elemental damage.
    Of hand has to be crit based otherwise the players cannot crit, so once again lowered resistances
    You understand that a ranger needs slightly more hp than a sw.
    And by definition @trakilaki could not understand why the sw had more...
    There is no lie in his statement he obviously calculated the hp of the sw he was fighting.
    Regarding dks, they are losing in pvp, big time and all the time vs sw.
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2019
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  10. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    the problem with SW damage is that they removed gems
    And with that, they removed one of the few sources of elemental resistances in pvp
    Very Big Brain move from bp, isn't it?
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  11. Purgerzg

    Purgerzg Active Author

    If BP make that we enter pvp with any class we want,it will close the door for this endless discussion ( "this class is OP")
  12. piteris2

    piteris2 Regular

    Imagine a PvP mode where you have the exact same items but you randomly get assigned a class upon starting the PvP. Of course, I would never ever want this to be in the game, but it’s just a thought which came to my mind when I was considering all the crazy stuff BP may do with PvP...
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  13. sargon234

    sargon234 Commander of the Forum

    well, that would be a perfect MOBA that want
    Unfortunately for the Big Brains at BP's management this is an rpg game
    This moba model would definitely strip the pleasure of building up your character and personalizing it
    It would remove the point of an RPG game
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  14. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    Nah, not anywhere close to the biggest problem. That would be all the mindless, insane, changes the devs have made to the game. For quite a while now the only viable way to twink is P2W. Any player who quits a micro-transaction game because they got beat by a casher has no business playing this sort of game to begin with.

    Players have been leaving this game because they do not like the changes. It has always been this way. I have friend lists that go way back and I can see who left at every major change to the game meta.

    And now that includes me. 218 was the proverbial straw on the hump's back for me. I stopped even logging on to collect my daily crap a couple of weeks ago.
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  15. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    I was hoping that the helios set was working in pvp
    This would be a more balanced game if it did.
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  16. MaxDisappointed

    MaxDisappointed Forum Master

    I think the leaderboards of PvE should last the same as always, around 2 months, instead of 1 month.
    I do not understand the reason for the change, but if you think about it, you must make 18 golds in 30 days, and when the Q10 arrives this same year, it will be 20 golds in 30 days. Is not it too tight? Taking into account also that at the same time there are more events such as Big Hunt, Helios, PvP leaderboards, etc.
  17. Purgerzg

    Purgerzg Active Author

    Imagine a pvp mode where some players have bigger dmg/defense/travel speed/AS....with same gear.......
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  18. Hiro73

    Hiro73 Forum Expert

    From the experience I had in pvp, what devastated the warrior is this, absence of immunity to stunning and very long cooldown in jump skill. Let's be honest, this skill is a joke, it must be as useful and competitive as that of the other classes.


    For all those who write in chat "War running noob", we are forced to run not only to cure ourselves but above all because of the cooldowns that in War class are absurd.


    The warrior does not regain fury like the other 3 classes and even if he has fury and is in cooldown ... I'm sorry but you have to wait. If you want to complain, talk to BP.
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  19. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    And YOU are saying that is not cheating?
    Sorry, but I have ~20k hp in PvP on my SW, would be 23k if I wasn't using dragan's pauldrons (to max out block, because I have a bad shield). Yes, I don't have full gold nor full lvl60... but generally the base values lines aren't that bad, and tiers are high, not everything t8 and dragan is t6, but still. My ranger has afair ~25k hp in PvP.

    To all the people complaining about elemental damage:
    Oh yes, let's take a look... what is the kind of damage of the magic missile everyone is complaining as being strongest spam with 116% base? Physical.
    What is the base of Chain Lightning, which does deal elemental damage? 66%, 88% when enemy is charged already.
    What is the base of Ice Missile, which does deal elemental damage? 75%, 94% when enemy is suffering from frost already.
    Nothing else can be spammed.

    Dwarf has 88% (~120% if you count in burnings) elemental spammable attack.
    DK has 100% (up to 200% if you count in all the bleeding) spammable and unavoidable (physical) attack: requires close range, but it's the strongest!
    Ranger has 66% (~100% if you count in poisonings) elemental spammable attack... ranger is in a bad position, but it doesn't mean SW is in a much better one.

    If people start complaining about the other skills - I'll do another comparison for them, but I don't think I have to...
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  20. MrBIG

    MrBIG Forum Apprentice

    you are wierd. Your main char is ranger and you are defending mages?
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