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  1. Javah

    Javah Old Hand

    Ignorance or knowledge has nothing to do with the use of this set. Just need a bit of understanding to handle it in the less dangerous way for the player.

    I use it from the same day it was released, so I see several explanation for your assertion:

    • You swap it with other sets/items as most people do, charging it mostly only when near the boss map
    • You just hit but do not kill mobs (ofc you must be in group)
    • You are a liar
    • You are a scammer
     
  2. elitecrew1031

    elitecrew1031 Padavan

    True there is big diffrence between Ignorance and knowledge @vkillerx is ignorant because he thinks that dwarves are so broken that they are the fastest class in the game and mages are insanely weak which is not true at all.
    Ding ding ding we have a winner today . I always help new players and saving an extra minute in herald inf3/4 is always welcomed,so I simply use the set at the end.
     
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  3. vkillerx

    vkillerx Forum Pro

    I never said that
    That´s not a full gameplay so your whole idea of using it wrong falls as you basically don´t use it on trash which is 99% of the maps
     
  4. elitecrew1031

    elitecrew1031 Padavan

    You sure ?
    Have i spoken about
    not at all I simply said that you don't use it right.
    nope not at all . I wanna see is there a rule that says using set means using it 100% of the time .Do i get the bonuses ( Yes)
    If you simply can't kill monsters on a certain difficulty then you don't belong there by that I mean if you have let's say 30k or 80-90k dmg with mortis set there won't be a big diffrence killing a monsters in fatal, the real diffrence comes when you enter boss room. So basically your statement about full gameplay with mortis set is not right
     
  5. vkillerx

    vkillerx Forum Pro

    yes

    Do you see thhe same people hating dwarfs for same pitiful reasons as does mages ?
    there isn´t anything like right and wrong you rather use it or don´t or you use it in certain situations also your whole idea about using it right doesn´t mean 90% of others doesn´t use it "right" i use the set the very same way it´s just not enough of a part of my build to speak about it as of a fully worthy part as you will anyway have to use different uniqs for maps so could you PLEASE stop being an ignorant
    There isn´t a rule as such yet as i see there´s no real talk with you

    Also i hope you know what is Dunning-Kruger´s effect
     
  6. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Demigod

    he's talking out of his bottom, as usual, ignore him.
    Also, the bug was fixed months ago.
    Right now Mortis' set is a joke and not even a funny one.

    It seems that you haven't learned your lesson: you can't use bloddstuff + herald buff, it is an exploit, it's against the rules, you can't use that as an argument against a class.
    And you can't even use it to its maximum without some kind of external programs, because you haven't realized, but it takes time to change gauntlets and staff.
    It also was fixed months ago as well.
    But sure, keep being intellectually dishonest.


    Exactly, while the set is nice for a mage, few mages will use it.
    It requires draken cores, which are not as easy to come by as other cores and in addition to that, it requires recrafting full platinum items to use it effectively.
    Also, how much is the bonus damage worth it? I use tear holder and magotina ornament, so the net damage benefit is reduced to 14%.
    I would have to switch to dragan helm and witch seeker belt, which i haven't upgraded.

    Very few people are going to use this set at this stage, given that the expansion is coming.

    Also, how is this the fault of mages that BP has made Op q7 sets for wars, rangers and dwarves?
    This smells like non sequitur.
    Who knows, maybe he's using an exploit of this set.
    Which makes his ignorant suggestion to use that q7/bloodmage switch exploit projection on his part.
     
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  7. Elégedetlenkedő

    Elégedetlenkedő Forum Apprentice

    Poor mage!....
    I am so sorry.... pfffff....

     
  8. elitecrew1031

    elitecrew1031 Padavan

    Great so if it's an exploit why verybody still uses it ? Why 80% of the mage population isn't banned ?
    Wrong, this combo is still viable just go to youtube search for a mage that is fast farming and I am sure you will find mage X still using bloodstaff + herald.
    One man's trash is another man's treasure.
    Yea because 9 seconds aren't enough, maybe 18 seconds or even 1 minute will be enough. Even without the staff . And here is the typical mage in this forum EvErY oThEr ClAsS iS oP I hAve 30k DmG AnD NoBoDy WaNtS mE iN tHeIr GroUp bEcAuSe EvErY oThEr cLaSs iS oP.
    Sorry but I am not a mage to use exploits ;). Also if I used, it would be quickly fixed and probably punished unlike some classes.

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    If you craft it, if you equip at certain situaton.Then it's part of your equipment

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  9. FAALHAAS

    FAALHAAS Regular

    New event looks ok i think. Keys of fearless from progress bar is very welcome. (farmed [EDIT] last event and after 10k+frags i was able to open 2 chests...soo yea good we'll be gettin them from progress instead of RNG-crap). And well lets hope this spring/easter event is less boring than last years click a million eggs crap :)

    The different progress needed per level/title seems quite a big gap, but need to see first before i speak aboutt his.

    New set; kinda useless....i worked hard to get sets im having now and dont feel like trashing them for this. Why does every new set(bonus) compete with the dragan/q7 sets??? Give us an amulet/ring+belt+pauldrons bonus or something.

    New pets+mounts; Pets seem quite useless aswell, just more to collect for all the completionists here. Mount lamp looks fun, but hard to see on small picture.



    And i just keep screaming about it: INCREASE PW UNIQUES DROPRATES AS YOU PROMISED IN PATCH220!!!
     
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  10. vkillerx

    vkillerx Forum Pro

    You obviously are a hating midget
    It´s part of your equipment when you wear it not for 20s and then off for another 4mins
    If you need dragan set in groups well poor you if not well then you are doing smth wrong as you aren´t a mage :)
    30k or 70k there isn´t any difference there are sole 2 reasons why mages get to groups 10% crit dmg for the full 400 and taunting with more dmg than dks do trada
     
  11. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Overlooker

    Why 80% of the whole game population isn't banned?

    Let's take a look at the past:
    • all major exploits before 2016 - no bans, supposedly fixed
    • dark set exploit - some bans were supposedly delivered, fixed
    • andermant exploit - bans delivered, of course fixed
    • piniata exploit - many people didn't believe in bans, abused, and some were punished (few permament bans though); fixed
    • daily deal exploit & crafting exploit #1 - a few bans, maybe about 20% of all abusers, supposedly fixed
    • new PvP bugs - no bans, no known fixes
    • mortis set bug - no bans, fixed
    • Q7 buff bug #1 - no bans, fixed
    • Great Hall bug - no bans (for obvious reasons), not fixed
    • crafting exploit #2 - no bans, not fixed
    • Q7 buff bug #2 - no bans, not fixed
    • some other bugs I forgot probably - probably no bans, possibly not fixed
    And yet you're still claiming that mages are receiving special treatment? Stop it. I still believe we can converse honestly...

    Not a part, but he's using it. And let's stop here.

    Do you both remember of the top of your head what the whole conversation started with?

    With a pointless assertion:
    Do you know why? Because you are refusing having your sets nerfed. That's why.

    Dwarf deals a few times more damage than a mage, counting in the pots. Dwarf can keep up 5 turrets easily with pots + attack the boss himself by spamming SS. What can the mage do with pots spam? Spam one skill, which doesn't come close even to a 2 turret dwarf, let alone a 5 turret one.

    Yeah, poor. No other class has to give a dime about elemental affinity. No other class is forced to switch setups between bosses just to deal some reliable damage. Every single other class uses the same skill setup for every boss... and dwarf performs way better than mage on all bosses, and (q7) ranger on some. DK performs well too, he isn't that much behind in kill times, even if he's slightly worse.

    Sorry, but that's not the definition of OP.

    FTFY
     
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  12. .RakshaRanja.

    .RakshaRanja. Forum Pro

    ^ Bless this comment.

    Keep your (SM, RA, DK) broken Q7 and at the same time keep crying every newly released set can be used by mages only - no contradiction here.

    The best thing is that all classes can use all of these "amazing" sets. Now explain to me, very politely, what's stopping you from using these items? Ah right ... because your Q7 (and particular dragan configuration with it) and Q8 (SM) is better than anything SW will ever wear :D

    I guess Q8 casually tripling mechanical turrets damage is ok while SW has to be punished with Ice Missile damage reduction (75% --> 30% | aka 60% REDUCED DAMAGE). Now please explain to me, once again very politely, if Ice Missile would deal 3x 94% (rounded for convenience) aka 282% how exactly would it be broken?

    At max breakpoint you can cast 5,13 Ice Missiles per second for a whooping 1,447% true (at 0% resistances) dps or 362% (ice), 579% (non poison) or 825% (poison) depending on boss' element.

    Im ignoring DK for obvious reasons.

    For comparison RA dps is 966% and SM dps (3 turrets not 5 mind you) is 1463%. These numbers already count mitigation (armor) in.
    Currently Q8 set for mage deals 144% (ice), 231% (non poison) or 329% (poison).

    You know - balance.

    While we're at it - stop mentioning singularity changes. All of this is because some people COULD NOT let go of MC "bug" when it never was bugged in the first place. It's YOUR fault that singu is like that (and colossal majority of SWs actually STILL want the old MC and singu back) and it's about time to finally realize and accept it.

    Also, I love that fact that SM complains about mages being able to get some pitiful % damage increase from the new set (10% increased dmg is about 2% dps increase) while dealing as much damage as 3 spellweavers spamming 5 times as many pots as any other class - absolutely love the contrast :D
     
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  13. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Demigod

    Because nobody uses it anymore, since it was fixed.
    It is an exploit, since set effects are supposed to be removed when you remove the set, like what happens with Mortis' set.
    Basic logic would have provided you with the necessary conclusion.

    it actually isn't viable, since it was fixed back in 2019.
    Come on, you can't be so dishonest, kiddo.
    Also, you can't keep claiming it is a viable tecnique, as it is an exploit, it's not legit.

    Too bad that trash is still trash, it can't do anything good.

    Yes, it lasts 9 seconds, it still isn't as OP as other q7 sets.
    Which is why mages have the ability to make viable end game builds by using other weapons such as q4 and bloodmage.
    If q7 was as OP as it is for other classes, mages would be forced to use q7 set as anybody else.
    Again, basic logic.

    Also, i'm not even arguing for buffing up q7 set, that's a strawman and no, logical fallacies don't count as logical arguments, sorry, kid.

    Really, you don't use exploits? Then why are you suggesting mages to use them and keep presenting them as viable strategies?
     
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  14. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Overlooker

    To all the dwarfs up there: I did the math. Again. Originally, I edited the post above, but since 2 posts were posted afterwards, I decided to move the edit content to a new post. Sorry mods.

    Tell me, how much of his base damage (regardless of base damage) does a mage deal to a boss per second?
    Because here's how much a dwarf deals in one second (max attack speed, resource pot help to maintain turrets):
    mechanical*2 + automated*2 + tesla + himself =
    = (110%*3*1,6*2) + (125%*1,5*1,5*2) + (150%*1,25*1,5) + (306%/0,15) =
    = 1056% + 562,5% + 281,25% + 2040% = 3939,75%
    This is without counting in the +150% from Q7 buff.
    Incorporating boss' armor and res:
    Grimmag&Herald:
    1056%*0,4 + 562,5%*0,25 + 281,25%*0,5714 + 2040%*0,4 =
    = 1539,73%
    Arachna, Khalys, M'Edusa:
    3939,75%*0,4 = 1575,9%
    Heredur:
    1056%*0,4 + 562,5%*0,5714 + 282,25%*0,4 + 2040%*0,4 =
    = 1672,3%
    Bearach:
    1056%*0,4 + 562,5%*0,4 + 282,25%*0,25 + 2040%*0,4 =
    = 1533,7%
    Sigrismar:
    1056%*0,4 + 562,5%*0,5714 + 282,25%*0,25 + 2040%*0,4 =
    = 1630%
    Mortis:
    1056%*0,4 + 562,5%*0,25 + 282,25*0,25 + 2040%*0,4 =
    = 1449,34%
    Now here's how much a mage deals in one second (max attack speed, 1s pot spam):
    himself (frozen spheres) = (410%*60/11) = 2236%
    (lightning strikes, charged) = (432,5%*60/11) = 2359%
    (fireballs) = (232%*60/11) = 1265,5%
    Now, with boss' res, using best skills against each:
    Grimmag&Herald:
    2359%*0,5714=1348%
    Arachna&M'Edusa:
    2236%*0,5714=1277,65%
    Heredur&Khalys:
    2359%*0,4=943,6%
    Bearach:
    2236%*0,4=894,4%
    Sigrismar:
    1265,5%*0,5714=723,1% (with Herald's cloak, without is same as Mortis aka quite less - below)
    Mortis:
    2359%*0,25=589,75%
    These are of course without counting Q7 buff too, but both mage and dwarf have almost permament Q7 buff and both have to waste some time reusing skills (dwarf - turrets&rocket, mage - singu,teleport&meteor).

    So, the "OP" mage deals less damage on his best bosses (Grimmag and Herold) than dwarf on his worst boss (Mortis). Also, on Mortis, mage deals less than half of what dwarf deals. Both using Q7, both probably grouped with a tank (because no escaping or boss movement taken into account) and both using pots. Dwarf uses up less pots.

    How is the new set OP for mage in relation to other classes, especially to dwarfs?
     
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  15. .RakshaRanja.

    .RakshaRanja. Forum Pro

    Just a heads up - max casts / s for sphere and lightning strike (for 3.637) is 4.2 / s.
    1,722% / s for sphere and 1,817% / s for lightning strike.
     
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  16. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Overlooker

    How so? It should be 60 frames / s and FS, LS and fireball are at 11 frames / cast at 3,637. So, casts / s should be 60/11 = about 5,5.

    Also, that would just make mage weaker than in my calculation, my point stands anyways.
     
  17. elitecrew1031

    elitecrew1031 Padavan

    Yup fixed back in 2019,your basic logic doesn't match with the logic of the video right? And if it's not viable how about finally fix this exploit ? Because this thing lives from the creation of the set.


    [video removed]


    They use it just the method is diffrent ;)
    Did I say ''use bloodstaff + q7 set'' no I am saying that this ''exploit'' is still in the game and big population of mages still use it. Denying the fact mages don't use it and trying to look like you don't know what I am talking about is pathetic.And still no punishment and nothing is still fixed.
    And converting it in seconds dwarf will be faster with how much 10-20 seconds. Yea ok good
    Now combining the boss with the map how faster will be the mage im sure a lot more then 20 seconds Without 1 or 2 maps
    Never said that mages are op (except in pvp) I am saying that they are not that weak as all of you claim and dwarves are not that OP as you think.
    Also if that was true every speed farm group, every spred farm guild would be full with dwarves and only dwarves.
    This thing is living from creation of the set and still not fixed
    Atm only think that is not fixed is pvp bugs and it's not from the creation of pvp .
    This ''typical dwarf'' can carry your *** but unfortuantly I don't help arrogant players, that also have no idea how the game works that they play.
     
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  18. sargon234

    sargon234 Forum Demigod

    They claimed to have fixed it in 2019, the bonus damage from q7 set should be removed if you remove the pieces of the set.
    If the exploit still exists, maybe they didn't actually fix it right.

    But since it is an exploit, it should not be counted or used, as it is against the rules.
    Read this post once again, assuming you can.
     
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  19. .RakshaRanja.

    .RakshaRanja. Forum Pro

    Recorded, slowed down and counted. Sadly barely anything in this game makes sense.
    In pre 220 world maybe. Now its 1-2 minutes on boss.
    Oh you surely did, plenty of times.
    Did you sleep through DK + SM meta or something?

    This game doesnt really tolerate creating alts - if you do so you're permanently behind or blocked by being unable to get stuff like jewel of rage so most of the people play their class whether its good or bad. This is not the *other game* where catch up mechanics exist and you can easily get back to the level of high difficulty endgame content on alt in less than two months. In DSO you either play 1 character or you're permanently behind that's why alts are so unpopular in DSO.

    But THIS doesn't mean that if there's low amount of SMs they are somehow bad or whatever. People just dont (or VERY RARELY) abandon their characters.
    Wonder why :cool:
     
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  20. vkillerx

    vkillerx Forum Pro

    That´s not true a one bit i have both midget and a mage and midget is able to clear content on the same paste as almost twice dmg mage anywhere no matter boss or map
    You need variety tho how much dks or mages is in those guilds compared to RA or SM ?
    Still the only arrogant one i see around is writing those beatiful posts
     

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