Return of Dragan - Curse of the Black Knights

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  1. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    Well I would figure from PB perspective it is the one event that attracts the most players that always wait to play only events, so this is to ruse old familiar players into getting to know the new wisdom tree.
    As for the Dragan event itself I need a good 6k draken core and possibly another 3k for recrafts down the line
    So I will be doing the event in my sleep too and probably not sleep weekends, slaving my body out for cores
    Other than that it is thee event to farm cubes non stop, gots me deluxies already for when we hit the event xD
    And we might be surprised, a few months ago I read somewhere that terrifying shadows might be in the July schedule.
    @_Baragain_ I chose to craft that dragan ring a 3/1 for now to gain that cd, will craft the cube ring and my amulet again its easier to farm and craft them than that darned ring xD
    PS: still waiting for your calcs on my chosen build method.
    I think it will be popular with the new group skill btw.
  2. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Just finished the New Moon event (no T6 adornment, let alone a good one :() which was occupying a lot of my time. Even so, I'm not likely to get to it before next weekend because it hit me today that we only have 7 days left to the current season and I still need to push some PWs from silver to gold.
  3. ImmortalDeath

    ImmortalDeath Junior Expert

    @_Baragain_ , RNG is random you know, so it should be inconsistent. I'm sure you know that random events do not rely on other events and should not have a consistent, intended pattern. Just saying.

    Also, how many draken are yall expecting to farm?
    I'll probably play maybe 50 hours worth of the event (assuming I even have time to play), but I need around 25k draken to get the things I want, which seems like an impossible number to get (would take me more than a year usually)... any thoughts?
    Also, I want a T6 dragan ring but I am still using an old T3 ring... chances of it dropping from boss?
  4. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    Never waste draken on something you can drop, people kill Dragan so many times that theres a select few that would only use drops with a gold to 3 gold base values.
    In the last Dragan I got the ring twice once on t3 and almost towards the end on t5
    Suggest you run with strong players a lot
    Draken wise theres the chest with I dont know how many draken and a rune of enhancement ( think they said 3k draken)
    Anyways you can farm much more draken from monstrorum (25k is not impossible) but you will need about 1 to 2k passes and a week of your life gone (I have 987 passes left and 635 augment core :D)
    Sorry to read about your adornment :(
    As for LB me and soul have not focused much on it since its draken core all the way, will probably work on it from tomorrow onwards.
    Can't wait for the new group skills my skills have already been adjusted to it, gonna use that bloody wild swing group skill (I run with q4 as you well know)
    Tested the bleed on it too and I must say currently with my low cd I get nearly 30k crits from the bleed, so I will be replacing mws permanently (4x 30k crits that stacks with 45k crits from rageful swing really rocks) In all my noobness never knew different bleeds stack, so I can deal tripple damage per second
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  5. gbit

    gbit Forum Ambassador

    are you saying that the two bleed effect from different skill stacks togheter? are you sure? so you will use bloody wild swing (instead of mighty) and rageful swing, or you will use bloody from Group skill? I don't understand... would you please explain me, thanks...
  6. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    This was quite a surprise to me too.
    Since I use Q4 set I did a rageful swing and then a bloody wild swing in consession and I can confirm that the victim was bleeding from both and getting crits from both.
    It is this and the 25% increased damage that rageful swing deals that has me loving the Q4 set ( yes rageful swing because the description is wrong for the weapon ) it is rageful swing and smash that deals 25% increased damage against currently bleeding foes.
    It is quite a powerful combination since bleed from both is much stronger.
    Yes I will be using the group skill.
    Last edited: May 7, 2018
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  7. gbit

    gbit Forum Ambassador

    so double bleeding effect...
    you say this also in another thread, so it is really wrong the description of the weapon effect? is rageful swing and not MWS that deals +25%damage on bleeding foes ( so rageful swing make 125% of your base damage?)
    sorry for the questions, but I haven't a PW unique yet and I'm very curious because i want to make a Q4 build as yours; so I can't test the set but I really want to know what I would be capable of with that set...
    (I have a weak DK)
    Last edited: May 7, 2018
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  8. Jhinstalock

    Jhinstalock Active Author

    You would be more capable of farming large numbers of monsters, and less capable of killing strong single target enemies :)
  9. Phyrix

    Phyrix Count Count

    Yes less capable of killing a strong single target, only due to using another form of main attack.
    So to make up for this you have to increase CD and increase your damage, to at least get a good enough time vs Q7
    Not beat Q7s' time vs a boss but total map time that 5 seconds that you are slower than Q7 will be worth it.
    Let me explain everything you've got going on to attain Q7 levels.
    Firstly there is the darkness set on 3 pieces, so you have 2697 crit going for you there, and 2 Q4 pieces 1198 going for you there,
    10% more crit from 2 darkness pieces, and 15% more damage from 3 darkness pieces
    And this is why @_Baragain_ said the calculation is pretty hard.
    Because now you can afford to craft your helm with 4 damage lines, where a lot of players has to use 4 crit lines in their helm
    Calculated without the new skills bonuses I was able to calc 25900 crit from just 1 crit line in helm
    So now yes you lose that cute max damage number from the witch seeker set but you gain a really good level of damage over other builds aka 45 to 55% more increased damage.
    and the 50% increased bleed damage plus rageful swing doing 1.25 damage and smash doing an extra 25% too...
    No it cannot compete with Q7 vs bosses, but everything else will be a 1hit matter and if its not, well then they will bleed to death
    So in all losing 5 seconds vs a boss maybe even 10 its cool
  10. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    "Random" should be "Random."
    The one on the left is random and exhibits small amounts of grouping and voids because, as you said, random doesn't take into account the results from other events. It is understood and expected that it should happen this way. The one on the right is what some people think that "Random" should look like, but that is a mostly uniform distribution and is actually very "not random."
    This is a bitmap representation of the rand() function from PHP back in 2008. You can obviously see that it is not as random as we'd like to see in a RNG and demonstrates the nature that some times occurs in RNGs.

    My point was that the trends that I experienced when I was farming felt decidedly "not random" and the strings of "good luck" and "bad luck" felt rather consistent over long periods of time... Longer than they should have been if they were indeed random. Say for example the drop rate is supposed to be 20%. Getting 5 pearls in 10 runs with a 20% rate is a statistical improbability. Likewise, getting 0 pearls out of a run of 10 is even less likely. Basically, the PRNG gets in a rut, possibly because it is a poor function with bad seed choices.

    We've all seen it before... I've gotten two world drop uniques in less than two minuets, but on other days, I can go hours, or even days, without a world drop unique. PRNGs are funny things and to my perception, this particular drop rate felt very inconsistent, as if the drop rate itself was changing (which isn't impossible, just something that would be deeply upsetting).
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  11. ImmortalDeath

    ImmortalDeath Junior Expert

    Point taken. I suppose it is too much to hope that, in a self-described "crafting-driven" game with a supposedly weighted-random droprate to the rare drops that are needed for this crafting, I would expect the coding team to have put some thought into it.
  12. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I've stopped expecting good things and prefer to be pleasantly surprised when they don't mess things up.
  13. Marcelosmbr

    Marcelosmbr Forum Greenhorn

    Hi, I'd like to know if anyone knows the location of some golden amphora in Dragan's event.
    I opened dozens of normal amphorae, but I did not drop red pearls in any of them.
  14. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Those amphoras are spawning randomly on same location as the normal ones.
  15. Integrity

    Integrity Forum Apprentice

    i have opened two golden amphoras, one in ghastly grave which contained 2 red pearls :O, and second one in the mini event location if i remember correctly, which contained blue essence XD

    in castle, near the dragan junior common amphora gave me the spider mount
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  16. dkarl

    dkarl Board Analyst

    In Normal mode, I spawned a cursed amphora inside the first mini-challenge dungeon (where one of the common amphorae usually resides). Mob wasn't too tough, but didn't drop much of interest either, other than one empowered cursed pearl and 15 drakan.
  17. Draakje300

    Draakje300 Forum Greenhorn

    Thats the spirit
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  18. Aslandroth

    Aslandroth Regular

    I have to say, I am disappointed, but not surprised that BP didn't listen to any of the feedback from the last Dragan event. I don't see anything different this time around, and while i like the event in general, there were a couple of suggestions that could make it less boring that were completely ignored. Most people I know don't do the joker gem quest (I still do) because of the boring run and re-run of the same maps, over and over. The quest for obtaining the chest keys should be opened up all at once, so players can run whatever map they choose, concurrently with the drake quests.

    Also, and this pertains to the new release but is highlighted by the event, PvE is utterly unbalanced. I understand Inf 3 is supposed to be hard, but the tier of the equipment doesn't line up with the difficulty required to earn it. If I am running with full T6, level 60 gear of the most well known sets (albeit not yet crafted) I shouldn't struggle to stay alive in Infernal 1, and 2 with level 55 mobs. How is this balance?

    Returning to the Dragan event though, BP, do you plan on expanding the story or rewards? Many players have what they need from the event and probably just use the castle for farming now days. *yawn*.
  19. heror

    heror Forum Baron

    Ahem its exactly the oposite , if you dont have good crafts or gems what do you expect ? inf 1 is so if you have some decent crafts or gems and not running with t6 no craft and 0gems . to get t6 item is easy but to craft smt good in it not so the complaining you are making is kind of irrelevant
  20. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    Like the guy above says, you need gems and crafts to run inf I and II. What are your gems and crafts like? You especially need crafted weapon and adornment if you're gonna run these maps.

    I have a crafted weapon (t6 herald 2h mace, with 250 idoti and glyphs to 59) and crafted adornment (level 59 t5 black queen with 112% crit on this item) and a crafted ring (level 59 t6 agathons with 53% crit and 57% hpoti, all good enchantment) and I just soloed my first pw inf I boss and have to pace myself infernal mob farming in ravencaw.

    In any event, I find fatal farming to be the sweet spot for pearl farming.
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