Short bow or Long bow on pvp

It's not different:


What will be the next one?Do i have to change the langage of the client cause maybe in english roundings are different?

 

You are both wrong

The math still doesn't add up. 0.83*1.1=0.913. If it added a straight 0.1 as opposed to adding 10% of the weapon's speed, the displayed speed would be 0.93 not 0.92. If anything, this tells us that maybe the "0.83" number might be off. Maybe it is actually 0.834 and is displayed rounded to 0.83. If that were the case, 0.834*1.1=0.9174 which would round to 0.92. Many experiments with DK weapons ranging from 0.83 to 1.18 base speeds has proved definitively that the speed gems gains are based on the base speed not a flat rate. Your second image in the first post also shows that it is based on the base speed otherwise, it would be 1.15, not 1.16.

Seriously! Both of you need to stop pretending you understand game mechanics you that you obviously don't.

 

I think you dind't read/understand what i wrote..

 

You're incorrect here. The bow is a multiplier for total attack speed excluding bow speed enchantments. sdknightno1 was right. Man, for someone who's always arguing and thinks he has it all right, you for one could check your facts first.

Let me walk you through this. One of my shortbows has 7.2% faster attack speed so I'll use this as an example.

Shortbow:
1.05 * 1.072 = 1.1256~ (1.13) <--- multiplier

Base attack speed excluding bow is 1.00.
I'm using Witch Chaser (.111), 1x Jewel of Rage (.01), 4x 8% sapphires (.32), and 2x 6.5% sapphires (.13).
All this adds up to 1.571. So now we need to multiply the bow and the additional speed from gems and other gear.

1.13 * 1.571 = 1.775~

Longbow:
0.83 x 1.072 = 0.88976~ (0.89)

Base attack speed excluding bow is 1.00.
Use same gear and same gems...

0.89 * 1.571 = 1.39819~

Conclusion:
1.78 - 1.40 = 0.38
If gems gave straight values, then we would see only a 0.22 difference (1.05 - 0.83). My point has been proven and you should play around more often with DSO optimizer. This is why I don't play around with longbows much - mainly because DPI is lower in general and also hinders reaction speed to use other skills. I know DPI isn't everything though.

Disclaimer: I know the 1.05 and 0.83 speed values are wacky, more like 1.0526315789473684 and 0.833333333. So if that makes any difference, not much likely but not the point I'm making here.

 

5/6 = 8.333.....
So I would venture to guess the Longbow is 5/6 attacks per secound. 10% more of 5/6th is 55/66 or .916666....


Short bow is 1.05 or 21/20 and 10% more would be 231/200 or 1.1555...

.91666 displays as ,92
1.1555 displays as 1,16


Also all Speed % are added together and then multiplied by the base speed of the weapon. Or at least that is how my math calculates it. Also had to use 1.11111 for the witch caster set to male the number jive. Also all of the other numbers where repeatable decimal values.
If I help yey if not sorry.

 

OK ... I shall repeat again sapphires are not giving a bonus like the rubies does. That was my point in my previous comment ... ok maybe it was given in stupid way ... I will describe it now.

BTW Jettemee thank you for

So sapphires are just like any other attack speed boost (Jewel of Rage, Dark Gloves Witch Gear bonus ... etc) ... they are all adding up. The real bonus for attack speed comes from the weapon's attack speed enchantments.
Lets take example where we have equiped: Witch Gear (11.1% attack speed), Dark Gloves (10% attack speed) and 4 polished sapphires into the weapon adornment (or into the bow it doesn't make difference) 4x5%= 20% attack speed.

The formula for calculating the attack speed is:

(weapon's base attack speed + (weapon's base attack speed * sum of all attack speed boosts)) = attack speed

where all attack speed boosts are summed up except the weapon's attack speed enchantments.


If your weapon doesn't have attack speed enchantments this formula is enough ... but if the weapon has attack speed enchantment(s) we need to calculate two more steps:

attack speed * weapon's attack speed enchantment = bonus

attack speed + bonus = total attack speed (attack/second)

Since we were observing a short bow without weapon attack speed enchantment and long bow with 2 weapon attack speed enchantments ... with the same gear ... lets make the calculations.

weapon's base attack speed
short bow = 1.0526315789473684
long bow = 0.8333333333333334

sum of all attack speed boosts = 41.1%


Short Bow

(1.0526315789473684 + (1.0526315789473684 * 0.411)
1.0526315789473684 + 0.4326315789473684124 = 1.4852631578947368124 = ~1.485 (attacks/second)

since the short bow has no speed enchantments we can skip the next two steps ... or

1.4852631578947368124 * 0 = 0 bonus
1.4852631578947368124 + 0 = 1.4852631578947368124 = ~1.485(attacks/second)

Lets use Drakensang Optimizer comparing the result



Long Bow

(0.8333333333333334 + (0.8333333333333334 * 0.411)
0.8333333333333334 + 0.3425000000000000274 = 1.1758333333333334274 (attacks/second)

The long bow has 2x15% attack speed enchantments

1.1758333333333334274 * 0.30 = 0.35275000000000002822 bonus

1.1758333333333334274 + 0.35275000000000002822 = 1.52858333333333345562 = ~1.529(attacks/second)



Conclusion
It is not the sapphires that are giving bonus but the weapon enchantments.

And all this for nothing because we are already observing 2 specified short/long bows.

 

short bow is better. fast kill=good kill.

 

What is good kill and what is bad kill?

 

We're not saying sapphires themselves give a bonus, neither do rubies. It is the multipliers of the bow (and bow talent/dmg modifiers for rubies) that do. In your previous post, you completely left out the weapon speed multiplier. So yes, that was misleading. sdknightno1 "On a side note, the attack speed bonus from sapphires also depend on weapon base speed." So here you misunderstood him. Maybe it's just point of view when it comes to formula. And yes, I used a different formula but it results the same. You can disregard my previous post then if we're all getting to the same point here, but from different angles. Being more thorough in making a point, not leaving things out, and word choice will avoid confusions altogether.

Are we cool now?

Edit: Also what mislead me in your previous post, was that you added speed enchantment(s) with the base bow speed and sapphires which is not the same as the formula from the DSO Wikia.

 

theory vs. reality
opinion vs. fact
instance vs. global
debate vs. argument
round pegs vs. square holes

Is this a trait of archers? LOL

 

We are cool man.
The formula from DSO Wikia is accurate ... but only if the bow has no attack speed enchantments. I have made many, many variations and combinations until I got the formula enclosed above. Well it is working perfect for me ... but that is not enough. I need confirmation that it is working for all of you ... so I can update the existent one at DSO Wikia.

 

I suggest you the formula i've always used (the same one posted by Jettemee), accurate (for each kind of weapon) and easier to use:
bs = Base attack Speed
ws = sum of the Weapon Speed bonuses
rs = sum of the Remaining Speed bonuses

final speed = bs*(1+ws/100)* (1+rs/100)

For the last trakilaky example we have:
bs = 0.8333333333333334
ws = 15+15 = 30
rs = 5+5+5+5+10+11.1 = 41.1

final speed = 0.8333333333333334 * 1.3 * 1.411 = 1.528583333

 

Thanks for clarifying this.
The reason I've never caught this is because my main is a DK and DK 2H swords don't have attack speed on them anymore, and when they did, I never wanted to see any on mine as it was a waste of a line. Additionally, my only 1H has no additional attack speed line on it. After checking it out with some of my smaller toons I see the effect. Interesting example of DSO's "Order of operations."