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  1. AniDrakenSniper93

    AniDrakenSniper93 Someday Author

    Nice!, where you get so much crit damage then?
     
  2. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I love your crit rate... Almost no waste (only 13 more than the magic 8877 number that gets you 80%.)

    That being said, your damage is a little disappointing for using a hammer, but that is to be expected when you have a line of crit on it. Higher % damage on the torso could help, but easier said than done.

    Also a little disappointing is your HP. What are you using for your torso/gloves/boots? Even my well DPS based setup is able to maintain 12k-13k HP through the use of some high HP boots with 2 Bloodtooth rings.
     
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  3. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    167% crit damage is not "so much" crit damage"
    Few Jewel of Rage maybe.
     
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  4. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I'd bet on 6 or 7 with maybe an old pair of gloves before they removed that from gloves.
     
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  5. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

    Trakilaki hitted the bell... x2 jewels of 5% + 1 jewel of 6% and damned line in the weapon with 51% so still working on switch this hated line for a 77% weap dmg line i got for mix....
    This is why my dmg is low...
    My torso is 18.41% increase dmg and 917 armor (2138 with gems)
    Gloves are 15% att speed and 743 hp and boots are 16% run speed and 803 hp BUT i don't pay to many attention on hp armor and resistances while farming
    Right now i'm checking same config with dark gloves+dark boots, 421 crit and 26% crit dmg belt and att speed pet, so i fixed att speed at 1.33,crit rate at 76%, crit dmg at +193%.
    Also i was thinking to balance basic dmg with def weap deco from the event bringing back a 11.13% basic dmg and sacrifying 1065 crit from current weap deco and put those 18.3M gliphs somewhere
     
  6. RichMan

    RichMan Active Author

    Ok so its time for an update here on my progress with my DK. Feel free to bully me :p[​IMG]
    I am open for suggestions for improvements.
    EDIT.
    Here are the tank stats too.
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2016
  7. AniDrakenSniper93

    AniDrakenSniper93 Someday Author

    Line in the weapon?. but you said your weapon had 1984 crit line too, so you're weapon has 2x% dmg 1x crit and 1x cd% lines eh?
     
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  8. thebearreturns

    thebearreturns Exceptional Talent

    That's it...
    147% increased weapon dmg
    1984 crit hit
    51% crit dmg hated line xd
    I'm storing tones of leg hammers to fill the 2 right slots in the workbench and will try to combine current hammer with a leg wich has a 77% incr. dmg line... may be done day sounds the bell... may be... xd
     
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  9. monder888

    monder888 Someday Author

    Here is a little something i made out of boredom. Its not something i would use anywhere, ever :oops: But its fun to see the max HP one can reach :D


    [​IMG]
     
  10. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    What The...???? I thought reaching 35k was impressive... but that is insane!
     
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  11. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    You better start crafting 4x10% HP amulet :p
     
  12. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Working on it:
    [​IMG]
    Here is a lucky drop from pre-Crafting 2.0 and a crafted exo. I wish those two 9.3s were higher though. :oops:
     
  13. AniDrakenSniper93

    AniDrakenSniper93 Someday Author

    meh, I think you need some raw hp lines in there too, like the arachna amulet, just pure HP % doesnt boost your hp that high, I think 2x hp % and 2x raw hp lines give much more HP, cause I tested the difference between those high HP % amulets and and raw hp amulets like 1.3k+ hp from one amu, and the raw hp ones always gave more hp with the effect of 25/25 points in HP from wisdom.
     
  14. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    He's not using 25/25 in hp.

    He almost certainly has at least 15 flawless amethysts , possibly more, and probably most of them are sacred amethysts. Given the amethysts, maxing out the hp % line is better.
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2016
  15. Morinphen

    Morinphen Forum Overlooker

    Rubies? HP? Where's the link xD ? You either mixed them up with the amethysts or I'm missing a point here xD.
     
  16. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    I have sacred rubies on my brain, trying to get all my flawless up to sacred....

    Amethysts (hp gems) is what I meant. 15 +100 flawless gems alone would get a 525 hp boost from the 35% hp% amulet. 20 +135 sacreds would be a 945 hp boost from the gems alone. But the % hp boost from the amulet also works on the base hp (somewhere around 3000 to 5000 hp for a level 50 DK) and the +hp from gear. If you're using keens, for example, that 35% amulet might result in 3000 or 4000 extra hp when you factor in gems and base hp, whereas a 4x hp would be 1600 hp and a 2x, 2x might be 2400 or so.

    Tl:dr version - the more +hp you're getting from gems and other gear, the more desirable 4x %hp lines becomes on the amulet.
     
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  17. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Novadude hit it on the head right here:
    Now, here is a little forensic math so I can tell you what his base HP is and how much % HP he has from items, sets, and knowledge. Then, knowing the base HP of a DK, this also lets us know how much + HP he is getting from his items.

    So, we are given 2 images. One is a pic of in town where only passive buffs apply. The other is in a map and he has used Battle Frenzy to boost his HP by 20%.

    So we know that 56796-51831=4965 is 20% of his base HP.
    Dividing 4965/0.20=24825 base HP.
    Now we divide 51831/24825=2.0897 or +108.97%
    If we subtract 5% for the pet and 75% for knowledge, we see that he has about 28.97% from other sources. Since I see the Deep Sea Sword, I think we can assume that he is using 2 pieces of the Deep Sea set for 10% HP from that (Likely the decoration since decorations don't usually have a defensive stat like HP anyway, so it is a double win), meaning that he only has 18.97% from other sources. Another reasonable assumption is that he has one of the 4% Christmas gems (100% chance because of ice resist) and one of the 5% Christmas gems (not sure since his rage is +25, so maybe using 5x 1% HP/+5 rage) for a total of 9% leaving about 9.97% HP which could come from a single line in an HP amulet or because of rounding errors, he could have.

    What we see from this math is that the % HP he has is not too impressive, but the base HP is insane. A DK's LVL 50 base HP is 3555, so he is getting 21270 HP from gems and items. If 40/48 or 40/44 of the available gem slots (not 50 because of the two/six mentioned above) have at least sacred, that is 5400. Justice could easily have 2500 (or more if he's used glyps that he will take out later) so lets say 2800. The Deep Sea amulet has 200 that could easily be 300+ with a little glyphs. This so far accounts for about 8500/21270 leaving another 12770 to account for. A decent legendary can easily have 375-425 HP per line if you farm a lot in fatal. I have a couple of HP items with lots of HP lines at or around 400, 12770 could be reached with about 32 lines, or 8 items with pure HP. Or, if we assume a lower average value of HP lines (375), it could be achieved with 34 lines, or 8 items with full HP and one with at least 2.

    What we see is that it is very possible, just takes a lot of luck and good legendary items.
    [​IMG]

    Seen here is my DK with 16871 HP with no % HP (but I'd use my 20% amulet), no knowledge points spent on HP, no 2/5 Deep Sea, and only 500 damage worth of gems in my boots and no glyphs spent on any of the items. If I added all of my other gems, I'd reach 18151. Then, if I used the Deep Sea Decoration (which I'd need to farm), I'd be up to 18351. Then, adding the sword for 2/5, the amulet, the 9% HP from helmet gems, 75% from Knowledge, and a 5% pet, I could reach 119.93% HP and would have a total of 40359. The biggest place I am missing out on is glyphs since I don't want to move any, and HP from gems since my total of 1780 comes from just 15 gems, not the 40 I talked about above.

    None of this takes away from the impressiveness of the 51k HP, if anything, it shows what is possible when you put your mind to it.
     
  18. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Remember this? (the second screen)
    it is with only 2x %HP lines on amulet.
     
  19. monder888

    monder888 Someday Author

    Spot on!! :eek:
    I'm using an amulet with 13% more hp and 1000 hp at lvl 55, and yep I am indeed using the sword and weapon decoration of the deep sea set. The rest of my items are all legendary items with full hp lines except for the belt that got only 2 lines. All the items expect justice are glyphed up to lvl 55 :)
    And I got 13x sacred hp gems and 2x Royal ones in there as well.
    I don't have an amulet with full hp lines just yet but once I do, I will put it into test and see which is better :D
     
  20. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Glad to hear I was close, but I'm still a little fuzzy on this part:
    I was rather confident in the % HP numbers, so I was wondering how I was so far off. Was I off with the Solstice Stars?