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  1. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    I don't know how my setup proves anything. I reached level 55 on Aug 2nd 2017. So, this character is 4 months old on level 55. I am a casual player playing 2-3 hours a day and I am playing 4 characters. This is only one of my characters. Total play time for this character would have been about 80-100 hours.

    Do you have a character that got this far using your "normal" method with 100 hours of play time to this strength? Then that would prove my method is not clever.
  2. Nostradamus88

    Nostradamus88 Active Author

    What i wanted to say is that it would be more powerful using no crafted q uniques than extraordinay items 2/3. Or it would be also better to put them in a unique than using them alone. It will make your farming experience faster. In 4 months farming 2-3 hours per day obviously you would be better! I saw your old pic with a complete build of green or blue items. It is a lot more inferior to a leg dropped or to a unique.
  3. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    Respectfully, disagree. Uniques themselves are not that good. Unless they are T4/T5 they wouldn't be as good as the pinks I wear. I have friends with full unique sets and they are not even close to my strength. Legendary drops are far inferior to my items. I have not found a single legendary which can be even comparable to even the blue items that I had before.
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  4. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    I also disagree. As one who has used the method presented by cdeepal, I have found it to be the simplest and best for the casual player.
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  5. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    There are only a couple of unique items/sets that are more powerful in their T1-3 state than comparable exos. I'd argue that those include the Bellicose set and the new moon items, but the PW uniques pretty much need to be crafted to be good, especially if they have crappy base stats. Most of the PW sets' bonouses are interesting, but still depend on strong character stats, which you don't get without crafted exos/legendaries/uniques.

    Looking at the 2H build, I'm sure that build can easily solo farm in painful and, with a bit of effort, solo in excruciating. The tank build could use a little more love, but I'm sure that it can tank painful without too much issue. For a build that is only 4 months old and doesn't have access to a set like the bellicose set, it is not half bad. If Dragan does indeed come in January as the rumor mill seems to believe, he could easily improve from just the T1-3 versions of the items, but short of that, it is strong progress in the right direction.

    Also notice that all his gear, with only a couple of exceptions, has one or two gold base stats. That is the key to his respectable stats despite only having T0 exos.
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2017
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  6. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    You are exactly correct. I can easily solo Painful with greens and can comfortably do Excruciating with Blues. However, I am not strong enough to do Fatal yet. My 1H build is not a tank build, if you notice. It is purely for PvP. It is a balanced build with more weight on DPS.
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  7. Nostradamus88

    Nostradamus88 Active Author

    ok, i got it. Actually i never tested this method, it was just an intuition. Even if i still think that q7 set might be better (in these months you could buy a high tier). But it is still a my opinion, ready to recognize my ignorance.
  8. Slabutul9

    Slabutul9 Someday Author

    My stats :D
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  9. thouvou000

    thouvou000 Forum Connoisseur

    What the hell man, his video was created on Jan the 20th and he is not a test server player. He is a well known dso youtuber, Prototype. what are you even saying?Heredur server btw
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  10. x_Dragon_Slayer_x

    x_Dragon_Slayer_x Someday Author

    This is my 3 months old char, with the dragan event, i hope that my offense and deffense will go up, i have some good friends that help me with infernall (i can solo painful and excruiciating, maybe can solo the letal bosses with reds, idk)
    and my tank setup (without gems, runes and glyphs), i can tank infernal I and maybe II... i'm saving materi fragments to buy a t5-6 ring of life...
  11. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I got a rather nice Agathon's Lost Ring and put it to good use. Here is a before and after picture:

    Total stats changes:
    Damage: +40
    HP: -765
    Armor: +1862 (3.16%)
    Crit: +442
    Crit Damage: +41.67%
    Resistance: -56 (0.19%)
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2018
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  12. sirlansalot

    sirlansalot Forum Apprentice

    latest tank stats after dragan upgrades: unbuffed out of group

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  13. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    That is clearly photoshopped picture ... because according to most forum tanks your HP can't reach beyond 130K :D
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  14. DJBarman

    DJBarman Active Author

    INF 2/INF 3 MAP


    INF 3 BOSS


    I dont use green ess on inf 3 bosses ( dont like to waste time ) and Im mostly PVE player so no 3x dmg on item / 1x overall dmg weapon for me after New Moon ill close critical dmg

  15. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    How do you get 34k damage and also 20k crit?
    Since he has 20k crit, I assume he is using a crit helmet. In this case, I cannot imagine which combination can give 34k damage.
    Even with an all damage helmet, I still cannot come up with math for someone to get 34k damage.
  16. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    No, Hybrid Helmet... both of them actually, see below. Notice that the two builds (Infernal II and Infernal III) are identical gear wise. The two main differences between the builds are the Damage and Crit with minor differences between HP/Armor/Resistance. The best explanation for the difference is a 1x Crit/3x Damage version of the Bellicose Helmet vs a 1x Damage/3x Crit version of the Bellicose Helmet.

    Regarding the crit, there is nothing surprising about that. His speed is low enough to indicate that he is not using any old speed gems, so it is reasonable to assume that he is using 5x600 crit onyxes, likely in a 120%-121% crit on this item decoration that has ~1700 crit at LVL 60. That right there is a total of 4700*2.2=10340. Then he has T6 Bloodtooth and T5 Dragan's Ring. Each of those likely have about 1700 and 1400 respectively for a running total of 13440. Then, lets add up the % crit he has before considering the helmet... 10% from Bloodtooth, 7.5% for Q9 amulet, 6% from the White Spider cape, 10% from 2/3 Twin Queens, 12% from 3x Christmas runes for a total of 45.5%. That gives a total of 19555 crit. Now, if the helmet in the Infernal II build has 3x% damage and 1x% crit, that would be another 13.5%, give or take a little. Factoring that in, you'd be looking at 21370, which is actually higher than we see in the build. That seems to indicate to me that I may have over estimated the value of some of the crit lines, but not by much (likely a good chunk of it is Bloodtooth due to it's random nature and how expensive it is to try to get a decent one). If we set the target crit at 20500 and work backwards, the total base crit from weapon decoration and rings is likely closer to 12900 as opposed to 13440.

    In the Infernal III build, his crit is only 3489 crit higher than his Infernal II build. It is highly unlikely that the difference would be this small if it was a pure % damage helmet in the first build and pure crit in the second build. A single 13.5% crit line, like the one in the previous paragraph, would account for a difference of 12900*0.135=1742 based on my estimates. Multiply this by two and you get 3482 which is pretty darn close to the difference we see in the video. That means the Infernal III helmet likely has 3x % crit lines and 1x % damage line.

    So, time to call his gear:
    Helmet 1: 1x % Crit, 3x % Damage
    Helmet 2: 3x % Crit, 1x % Damage
    Pauldrons: Likely uncrafted and bought/dropped at T6 for the extra % damage that would be lost if crafted
    Torso: 4x % Damage
    Gloves: 4x % Attack Speed
    Boots: Maybe 4x %DotI, Maybe HP. I'd lean towards HP due to the high HP at over 90k
    Amulet: 4x % Crit Damage
    Belt: 4x % Damage
    Ring 1: 4x % Crit Damage
    Ring 2: 4x % Crit Damage
    Adornment: 4x %ICRotI
    Weapon: 4x %IDotI

    Did you account for the 22.22% max damage from the Witch Seeker set?

    Now, I leave it to you to recalculate/re-estimate his damage based on my assumptions about hit crit.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2018
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  17. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    It has to be 3/1 weapon, 1-2 IDOTI lines being old ones. Nothing impossible. Unless it's for PVP, not so smart decision. Not ess effective. Only good to show off on facebook. 4x IDOTI will out class this on bosses.

    There are dwarfs with 40k dmg, why couldn't a critful setup have 34? Even 35 is quite possible.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2018
  18. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Unlikely, otherwise the blue/purple/red essence would be much less effective.

    Looking at the minimum damage difference in his Infernal II build between blue and purple, is 8964. That is his "base" damage before %Damage lines. That means, in the blue build, if you subtract 8964, his no essence damage would be 25245. Divide that by 8964 and his % damage total is about 181.6%. With 50% from knowledge, 39.5% from a belt, 39.5% from a torso, 29.5% from the helmet, 15% from the Witch Seeker, and 6% from the Black Spider adornment, you account for 179.5%. Then, there is the pet. At a minimum, based on the above estimate, he has at least enough for 1x2% if the items above are even closer to perfect. That is unlikely, so he likely has at least 2x 2% or 3x 2%, each of which would reduce the needed % damage on the helmet/torso/belt by as much as 0.66% each. One way or another, there is no room for a % Damage line on his weapon with all the other known stats.

    So, I ask again... anyone want to re-evaluate if Prototype's build makes sense?
    I stand by my guess of his enchantments:
    Nothing else makes sense. I can also tell you he has sacrificed some 2H Speed runes (at least one, likely two, haven't calculated it out all the way because he may also be using Jewels of Rage in the Decoration) in favor of crit damage runes. I know this because his rings/amulet likely have about 72-73% crit damage a piece and 10% from the white spider cape. That adds up to 229-230, but he has +269%. That means about 40% from runes, but there are a number of combinations that can be used to reach this.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2018
  19. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    I would say "Nothing makes sense at all" ... 2H builds should not be able to get to 80% crit hit in any Infernal difficulty.
  20. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Someone is just salty that a DPS focused build gets better DPS than a Strategy driven build like a Long Bow build that sacrifices damage for cheaper skills and easy crit/crit damage.

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