Waistband of the Dunes

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  1. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Exceptional Talent

    maybe it's wrong topic, sry if that's true ;p


    why this belt reduce only armor? so 3 classes have extra buff, but only mag don't have it, bc he's doing 99% his dmg on atributes...
    maybe little change to reduce all deffs?...
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  2. KingsGambit

    KingsGambit Forum Expert

    Hi Mao :p;)

    Yeah, both with Mao we try to push through change on this item at our domestic forum but so far with no results. We are actually very suprised that majority of our society is voting against any changes which would equalize belt of dune for all 4 classes, which basically means make it equal to use for Mage as only this class doesn't have access to attacks based on physical damage (only physisical based source of damage in mage is MM).
    Reduction as tested many times works only at armor, doesn't apply to resistances and of course works also at any kind of bosses. This straightforward means that in 15/25 sec (depending if u also use adorment) all classes apart from mage can gain around 2x-2,5x damage output at bosses. We, as mages, would really appreciate equal chances and some support from society to make game fair for everybody ;)
  3. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    As it should.
    Where did you see it says resistance too?

    Here are all 4 items for all classes

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  4. KingsGambit

    KingsGambit Forum Expert

    Of course it doesn't write such but this doesnt change anything - if it would write "defences" or similar would be straight bug. Thing is that 3 classes can use this item succesfully and 1 can't while this isn't some mediocore stuff but thing that buffs your raw damage output by 2x-2,5x until sandwhirl dissapears. You think it's fair?
    I'm good at DSO calculations and this effect is equal to situation where 3 classes starts boss fight with like tripple effect of essence: so mage has +300% from red and 3 other classes +900%. Technically in raw damage output numbers are very similar for strong characters in this comparison. I can just imagine what would happen at forums if 1 class would have extra +600% dmg buff for 15 seconds when summoning a boss... Only diffrence is we have 3 classes not 1.
    Come on Traki, it's bul... :rolleyes:
  5. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Exceptional Talent

    so u think it's fair that 3 classes have special buff in this item, but only mag has't it? yes mag has reduce armor too in this item, but he doesn't do any dmg with physical so it's useless for him...
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  6. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Nice knowledge you two have :) ... no wonder the other players were laughing at you on the other forum ... as you said.
    1. not all skills are elemental or physical only
    2. some skills are mixture of both
    3. Armor break doesn't work on bosses ... if this item is breaking boss' armor ... you should report it as bug ... but with proof (only Heredur Doll can break their armor)
    4. No serious player (no matter the class) is using these Dune Lune Items :)
  7. KingsGambit

    KingsGambit Forum Expert

    No, Traki it's you who is hugely mistaken (no offence but what you said is pure compromitation for such well known user ;)).

    1. Mage has MM as source of physical damage, not upgraded guardian (if mage is using it its always upgraded though), singularity 50% perk and destruction which is never used because its simply extremely weak right now. That's all.

    2. Yes they are, but mage doesn't have such. And im not sure why does it matter at all in this topic? It's irrelevant.

    3. Yes it does and everybody knows it at least at my domestic forum (PL). So you are saying experts at english forum knows nothing about game? Very interesting. Also as i know it was reported already many times and developers decided that is actually a feature of this set not a bug per se. Not sure it was intended when created.

    4. Most of serious players apart from mages are using Dune Belt with Necklace and sometimes also adorment to reduce boss physical defence at start of the fight. Due to this they easily kill Inf IV bosses before Sandwhirl even expires. They never have it as their standard equipment, they just put it on when boss is spawning, activate Sandwhirl and quickly change gear to their normal stuff. Simple.

    As i said before 80% reduction scaled on armor chart (because it's reduction of numerical value not percentage value) is usually around 2x - 2,5x raw output dmg as a result. This is HUGE diffrence.

    Are there any competent people to discuss topic with? I doesn't feel like arguing with sb who has zero knowledge about game no matter what his forum rank is :rolleyes:
  8. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Exceptional Talent

    1 really? u think i play here 1 week?
    2 mags 3 best skills to farm(meteor/thuder/sphere) due 100% dmg with atribute so u think i will go on boss and kill him with only magic missle? skills like destruction are useless from 50lvl...
    3 yes it's work on bosses, so if u want to say sth than first go and check it ^;-
    4 all classes use this witout mage, bc it's useless on mag, when he does't do any dmg with physical...

    so if u want to say sth than first go check and play sth bc u say random thinks, what is generalliy wrong...
  9. ΣMiwel

    ΣMiwel Forum Ambassador

    I'm too lazy to test if it still works like that right now, but fireball used to be half physical/half fire. Upgraded guardian used to be half physical/half fire as well. Not upgraded guardian used to be half physical/half lightning. Destruction used to be a mix of all elements, but we know it's pure physical right now... and no, it is not a useless skill as long as you're using low graphic settings which protects you against the bug in the 3p. talent. As you said, MM and singularity are physical damage as well. Not sure about meteor.
    See up.
    "Domestic" (rather our native language...) forum, exactly the PL one, has bad staff that doesn't handle properly stuff it should handle. They don't even read messages properly (same about support - but I think that's the very same team). That's why I'm here rather than there from the very begin of my forum activity and probably that's why more and more people are moving away from there.
    So that armor break works and my singularity or EA doesn't? Another proof that devs don't know what they're doing (or they're not even aware of that bug...).
    The only armor break that should work on bosses is the one from the Heredur Pet - as Traki said. That one has specified it in the description that it works specifically on bosses.
    I haven't seen a single person in Grimmag using this on bosses... never ever. Maybe that's because I don't play with bug abusers.
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  10. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    No offence taken ;) but it seems like you don't understand what am I talking about ;)
    Guardian - 75% Lighning 25% Physical
    Upgraded guardian - 50% Fire 50% Physical
    Meteor - 50% Fire 50% Physical
    Destruction - 75% Physical 25% Lightning
    Fireball - 50% Fire 50% Physical
    Magic Missile - 100% Physical
    Ice Missile, Frost Nova, Frozen Sphere - 100% Ice
    Singularity - 100% Physical
    Lightning Strike, Chain Lightning - 100% lightning

    Some of them could be slightly changed ... but so are the bosses as well.
    I shall say it once more ... Armor Break doesn't work on Bosses.
    I am talking in general I am not talking about the Dune Lune set.
    You are taking exploits as standard game play. You are talking about exploits ... which can lead to permanent ban.
    I know about one more exploit working with SWs ... with it they can kill any boss in 5 seconds ;)
    But AGAIN ... those are exploits ... and you should report them with evidence . Hearsay is not evidence.

    You were saying what? :)
  11. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Exceptional Talent

    so i don't know with who u are farming
    i play on grimmag...
    it's no diffrent's that i go farm with friends/guild or even random players, everybody good players are using it
    first archer who i find on yt = 1min

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    so u don't even know changing from 55lvl? if u are talking about wiki there are 99% bad information

    all another skills like guardian are not inportant...
    guardian has physical? it's no matter if i do 1000x more dmg than he's doing on his stage ^;-
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  12. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    LOL ... that is Armor Break?
    We are killing mortis much faster without "Armor Break".
    Again ... any bug/exploit should be reported but first it should be proven it is indeed a bug/exploit.
    Now come back with testings and screenshots, videos and calculations. I will handle them together with this video to the devs.
    If the players get banned ... all credits are going to you :)
    I am not in mood for another testing ... since I have already done one for SWs exploiting various items. :)
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  13. KingsGambit

    KingsGambit Forum Expert

    Yes not all are accurate.
    We all know it doesnt work in general, who do you takes us for? But at Dune Lune it works and we are refering to this particular item not general armor/res reducing mechanics.

    It was reported many times already. I know people who reported it myself and i know what answer they have received.
    It's not exploit if it works for more than a year, everybody is using it and stuff says it's ok. It's feature in this context.

    You want evidence? Take a look through youtube videos or just put on yourself that bloody belt and go for test into any boss. I'm not gonna proving sth that has been proved from months and even beginners knows it. Come on, lets be serious.

    Edit: Than do testing on your own when you gonna be in mood. Noone gonna spent hours for proves that any player can obtain from observations through single boss fight. Yeah hundreds of people are using set just because they like clicking :rolleyes: It simply works and if it doesn't go ahead and ban me for trolling or whatever. I'm not gonna put effort in proving such obvious thing.
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  14. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Exceptional Talent

    bc it's weak team, what i say i don't looking good archer on yt just i look on first archer i find there....
    when u find good ranger boss inf4 is dead in 5sec...

    u want report it? for what? this 'bug' is from hmmm 1-2year? anybody don't do anythink with that so ppl start use it like it should to be
    if u want give a ban all ppl who use it u need to banned 90% mech/archer/tank 2h

    so back to the topic, even if this will be removed and this reducing will not working on bosses mag is still 1 step behind all another classes if he has 'special' useless items like this belt...
  15. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Calculations and screenshots/videos made by you can only be used as a base for making a report.

    Provide me those calculations and evidence ... and activate your stopwatch ;)

    --- MERGED ---

    Those are not from wiki but from the Game Devs.
    Bad information? Name just one article that has wrong info.
    We ... the English Forum players have our Wiki ... do you have one? :D
    No you are too lazy to do such things ... you are waiting someone to do all the work for you :)

    The tooltips were saying one thing but the skills were dealing different kind of damage in the past too.
    Ask ULTRAPEINLICH he has proven that EA is not dealing 100% physical damage
    and what the tooltip is saying?

    This can be easily tested on Grimmag ... killing Grimmag by using EA takes years.
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  16. Mal3ficent

    Mal3ficent Guest

    Please read our rules before posting videos with exploits.
    Keep the discussion civil, all belligerent, flaming and off topic posts will be deleted. Users will be sanctioned.
    This thread will stay open for a while.
    If it stays as it is now, no evidence for bugs, I will close the thread.
    In that case, you will have to file a support ticket and explain the bug.

  17. KulawyMao

    KulawyMao Exceptional Talent

    mech/archer have ~50% physical dmg
    tank have 99% physical dmg
    what can say mag with maybe 1% dmg with physical?
    u think EA with 125% dmg with physical is worst than 1% which have mag on his all skills? now mag is farming on 3 skills, any of this 3 don't have physical dmg
    as i said 3 classes have extra reduce 80% armor on bosses, only mag doesn't have it bc this belt reduce only armor

    it's no matter bug or not(reducing boss armor) why 3 classes have better gear than 1 = mag?
    ps. what do u mean we are lazy bc we don't have our wiki? we have it but it's the same like english wiki = 99% info is wrong or not all info = sometime 10% simetimes 50% it's useless if u are looking for 1 special info
  18. Mal3ficent

    Mal3ficent Guest

    In that case, I am closing this thread as it is just another pointless class versus class rant.

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