When to raise Knowledge?

Hopefully someone with nerdy-maths expertise can answer this one ;p

I was wondering when was the best time to raise Knowledge.

You see, on one one of my secondary characters (alts) I raised the Knowledge quickly, and now have 30Knowledge on a lvl15 toon.

Later, I realised that Knowledge rises by percentage, whereas XP rises by specific amounts. It made me wonder if it was better to raise some Knowledge at a higher XP level to gain the most benefits.
That is, as my XP level rises so does my base damage - then raising that base damage by a percentage.

Or is the percentage rise on the initial base damage so it makes no difference when you raise it?

Hope that makes sense

 

Pretty certain it raises as your base damage increases, so the higher your base, the more that 30% will increase it. I am by no means a nerdy/math wiz, though. I wouldn't wait to upgrade your Knowledge Tree.

 

The bonus 1% damage and HP, for every level of ancient knowledge, applies to whatever your current damage and HP happen to be. The calculation takes place in "real time", all the time, not just once. I would raise them whenever you have the gold and wisdom books to do so.

 

Simply there is no difference wether you up knowledge within lvl 15 or wait til 45 first.

 

Well, there is one difference... If you wait until level 45 to take all your knowledge levels, your character will be significantly weaker until you take those knowledge levels

 

Well, if you talk about leveling progress to 45 then yes. Holding knowledge after reach 45 will make you harder to lvl up.

But I'm talking about the result not the progress which is same result at the end.

 

Yes. At level 45, the end result is the same.

 

That's what I want to know - is the end mathematical result the same?

Whether to boost now or later depends on each player's toons. My alts are strong and so don't need the extra boost right now. I thought that if I got more of a boost at lvl40 or 45, or even at lvl35 I could wait until then.

I noticed that the boost is actually small at lvl 15.

So you say it doesn't matter, great,

But @Multi-Sev says:

Which sounds to me like I would get more 'in the end' if I boosted up a 45 than a 15, because it's a percentage.

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I'll attempt an example:

Boost up a lvl15 10x : 100dmg + 1500 hp
= 110 dmg + 1650 hp (rounded up)

Boost up a lvl 40 10x : 400dmg + 3500 hp
= 540 dmg + 3850

Let's say this is two possible results of the same toon, at the end, the first version would still only be an addition of only 10dmg and 150 hp, but the 2nd would be 140 dmg extra and 350 extra hp. I think.

 

I guess I'm not fully understanding you. Yes, if you have more damage/health at level 40 you will see a greater impact from the 30% increase from the Knowledge Tree.

But you will still see that same increase if you up the Knowledge Tree to level 30 when you are level 15 and eventually reach level 40.

 

I'm not really sure how to make this more clear, but I will try:

You won't see much of an increase at level 15 because your damage isn't very high at level 15. You will see more at level 45, but regardless of when you raise the knowledge; 1% is always going to be 1%, and 30% is always going to be 30%. The reason you see less change at lower levels is because you have less base damage by which to multiply that 30%. If you have 150 base damage, 30% of that is only 45 so you will have 195. If you have 800 base damage, 30% of that is 240 so you will have 1040. Whether you raise to level 30 knowledge at level 15 or level 45, if your damage at level 45 is 800 your total is going to be 1040 no matter what.

If you raise your knowledge to the level 30 cap at level 15, you won't suffer any losses at level 45. The 30% bonus is constantly applied to whatever your base damage happens to be at the time. If you are level 45 and you switch weapons from a "speed" weapon to a "damage" weapon, that 30% will then (instantly) apply to the extra damage you just added. This isn't a one-time bonus that is only applied when you raise it. It is a dynamic bonus that is applied to your character continuously. I can't really state it any more clearly than that.

 

The knowledge bonus is reapplied whenever your stats change (including gear switches, leveling up, equipping essence...). So there is no point in delaying to level it up.

 

YES, thank you. That is much more concise than what I wrote

 

Bingo! That's it. (you didn't say that before lol)

Got it now, because the first part of the explanation doesn't make sense... 45dmg is not the same as 240dmg 'in the end'.

BUT, if the 30% is always applied then yes, changes everything. I was thinking it was a one time deal.

Thanks so much @Multi-Sev and @spiro_spula for making it logical for me.

 

Glad to be useful

 

Np, that's what the forum is for 8)

 

I suck at explaining things I guess . Glad it's sorted!

 

haha, glad for trying too @sper009

 

Nice post I had the same question. My main is lvl 44.5 and only knowledge lvl 15 (not good) I want that extra 15% dmg but it will take a millenia to get those many knowledge points. That is unless you got a secret XD