Why do Rangers have the best of everything?

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  1. moby31

    moby31 Regular

    Classes are balanced if u think different think twice how about DK being OP with their healing skill and Mag with their fireball and it's range .
     
  2. ArcaneMaster

    ArcaneMaster Active Author

    i really wanted stay off this post but again responses like this makes u come back and educate ppl of thier misconception!!
    my dear, u say sw are op cos of fireball and range? are u suggesting sw got better range than rangers? lol dont worry devs are making sure they mess up sw in all possible areas that includes its range so again a false statement.

    guys for god sake plz do a little testing before u could say something so meaningless.
     
  3. moby31

    moby31 Regular

    Right , rangers have to aim to be clear
    Mag hmmm do u do pvp at all ???
    what i said comes from experience
    don't wanna be offensive or anything thing like that
    but i think most of experienced pvp players not mages themselves had a good reason to find a proper name for mages pvp tactics
    i won't say it here ;)
     
  4. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    That's how mage has to play. Please don't cry when I run in PvP instead of exchanging hits with someone that hits higher than me and has better defense.
     
  5. ArcaneMaster

    ArcaneMaster Active Author

    classics example of utter nonsense.

    if u got little brian i guess u can follow what m saysing here.
    1. go to google.com
    2. search "Define range" which says and i quote
    range is "the area of variation between upper and lower limits on a particular scale."
    which in this scale is how far a projectile goes.
    so mr dumb u first post about range, which the heck u have no clue
    so when someone ask u what ur stupidity means u post another totally irrelevant non-sense of aim??

    btw do u know range and aim are 2 totally diffrent things?
    range: something game provides
    aim: lol this is what players do. dont expect devs to write code to do the aiming for ya, then what will u do? just push buttons?

    now to ur second yet total garbage statment.
    "rangers have to aim" so in your world do all mages skill have auto targeting?

    "what i said comes from experience"
    really? experieance of what? talking nonsense?

    "but i think most of experienced pvp players not mages themselves had a good reason to find a proper name for mages pvp tactics"
    lol what might tat be. given ur little knowledge of game mechanins i think i will be shocked for sure. but dont hold on.. u alread done enough dmg to yourself u got nothing to lose so let the imagination flow.

    fyi ranger tactic is also termed with a little "naughty word" cos of thier hit and run tatctis. but dont blame them thats what they are ment to do. only a noob ranger would go head to head with a dk :p. i guess you are experienced enough to know that. dont you?
     
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2013
  6. kagusa

    kagusa Forum Greenhorn

    just wait until someone call dwarf OP....just wait...l :D
     
  7. moby31

    moby31 Regular

    I knew it will comes to that ... :p
    what i said was Ra have to aim to do some dmg .
    explain me why u're called blind shooters :rolleyes:
    speak with others if u say that i'm talking nonsense and i don't know what is what put your glasses on and grow up my dear .
    don't drive yourselfs to write such rude statements
    won't help
     
  8. ArcaneMaster

    ArcaneMaster Active Author

    sw are blind shooters? and not rangers? seen lot of pro rangers just using maps to get kills. and m sure there are such skilled rangers on all servers and yes sw do use map too... infact both rangers and sw use mini map. so howz it only for sw? have u nvr did this with your ranger? strange!!!:confused:
    dear, u just need to learn how to use the map and yes its more deadly with ranger. a far sight shooting rangers are the toughest. as they tend to kill even b4 the victim could spot them :mad:. and if u do get close, damn!!! they dance away as quick as rats :D
     
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2013
  9. yzm5508512

    yzm5508512 Someday Author

    mage gets the easiest way to attack and the unique elemental dmg(like i said,at least 25% dmg bonus while the armor is pretty much the same between mage and ranger),every opponent who tries to get closer to mage definitely would be frozen and has to take 2-3 fire balls.
    every player use mini map to aim and search players,the reason that fail at range shooting is always u cant predict the opponent's intention,no matter fighting with ranger or mage
     
  10. extinckDK

    extinckDK Forum Apprentice

    Not really, a Ranger with OP predator can tank head to head with a dk n win.
     
  11. sdknightno1

    sdknightno1 Advanced

    My p2p ranger can tank noob f2p DK's with no problem. On the other hand, some OP DKs with OP def and HP can tank me with no problem.
     
  12. DJMoody

    DJMoody Forum Apprentice

    What balances rangers high damage potential is the need to mark and the severe limits of concentration.

    Lets look at marking first:

    - no mark, then your leaving most of your DPS on the table
    - its that not easy to mark anyone who has any kind of skill in PvP
    - attempting a mark means closing on the opposition, dangerous with DK and opens you to attack by fireball as you close distance from SW
    - if you are successful with the mark there are skills which cancel the mark, very very frustrating

    Then there is the impact of concentration:

    You get 3 changes to land your OP precision shot while opponent is marked. If you fail to hit then the whole process of marking is wasted and you are now a sitting duck of low damage potential trying to keep out of trouble until you can use your skills again.

    It's great fun as a ranger to be sitting on some of the highest damage potential in the game. But the need to mark and the limits of concentration really do mean that damage potential comes with nerfing that keeps the class very balanced in deed.

    As a result the game in PvP can be akin to feeling a bit like a sniper. Certainly not overpowering, takes skill.

    AND there are no ways around these limitations.
     
  13. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    Except getting items that give extra Concentration.
    Ring of Inner Fortitude +25 Concentration Points
    Ring of the Hunter +5 CP...+19 at level 50 (4.6M GoP)
    Solstice Star +5 CP
    Predator +20 CP
    Death Mask +20 CP
    Destruction Vest +20 CP
    Ancestral Wolf Quiver +10 CP

    100 base + 124 max with above items (2x Solstice Stars) = 224
    If you're lucky and you get 2 Rings of Inner Fortitude then you have 230 CP.

    Of course, it is hard as %&%## to get all those items, but a guy can dream, can't he? :p
     
  14. Talicni

    Talicni Forum Connoisseur

    Many of those items are much useless.
     
  15. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    Not if you want Concentration. :p I will say that the quiver is useless, though. But still... 220 Concentration sounds amazing. Mark and barrage with at least 7 Precision Shots.
     
  16. Talicni

    Talicni Forum Connoisseur

    You need to look at it objectively if the only thing you are after is conc ok then, but is that kind of ranger that is op? i don't think so
     
  17. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    Right, although most the items that I mentioned are much desired. I'm sure that setup can be very effective and strong. I can use that DrakensangOptimizer website and see if I can't find the necessary items to make this set good. (I'm bored and have a lot of free time so this isn't a problem)
    Predator is still the best shortbow in the game. (arguably, I admit, as it depends on preferences of the individual and no one can say what is actually 'best')
    Death Mask is an amazing item. Destruction Vest is also very nice and the Solstice Stars take up helmet gem spaces... doesn't affect your stats much. And for those tanky rangers with lots of health the gems can actually be very nice with their 1% HP each.

    The rings are debatable, considering most people have good rings and would lose damage or crit that they need. But you have somewhat of a choice in damage vs speed. 22 damage and 19 Conc vs 10% speed and 25 Conc.

    I'm not arguing with you or attacking your opinion so please don't take it that way if my paragraphs are ... edgy at all.

    I see this as an opportunity to be different... not like the 'textbook' ranger, if you will. A different setup.

    To answer your question, is this ranger OP? I doubt it. Takes no more than a few Precisions to kill someone so the ability to shoot 7 in a row wouldn't generally be of much help. And if it takes more than 7 precisions to kill one, you wouldn't have the time to just stand there and shoot... you'd have to be running, anyways.

    Used the website.. here are stats of a F2P Ranger or slightly P2P who has time on his/her hands:
    638-677 base damage
    1,77 attack speed
    1890 Critical Hit Rate
    5188 HP
    1825 Armor
    400 Resist
    and of course, 220 Concentration.
    That is with shield and I didn't bother to use block rate and stuff.

    Amulet and Belt full critical hit rate, Weapon Decor all damage, 2 Rings of Inner Fortitude, Predator, Death Mask, Destruction Vest, Dark Shoulders + Gloves + Boots.
    Gems used:
    8x Polished Ruby
    2x Radiant Ruby
    13x Polished Cyanite
    3x Radiant Cyanite
    20x Polished Amethyst
    3x Radiant Amethyst
    10x Polished Diamonds.

    So, you were right. This is not an OP ranger but he's pretty strong.
     
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2013
  18. Talicni

    Talicni Forum Connoisseur

    Every1 builds what ever suits him the most :) Would you build conc, or go more attack speed with conc regen and higher dmg depends from person :)

    And those are gr8 gems, but not easy to obtain if this ranger is "slightly p2p" :)
     
  19. TheInfamous

    TheInfamous Board Analyst

    You're right. My mage has the same amount of offense gems but he has half sapphires and half rubies. Would take some work to get that many rubies alone. As of defensive gems... the ranger has more. I have 10x polished amethysts, 12x polished diamonds, 4x radiant cyanites and 1 polished. (actually I may be missing some.. I probably have more. I'll correct it later. Seems like I have some nooby gems lol... I'd better have more -_- )
    So anyway.. my 37 polished defensive gems vs the ranger's 61. Polished gems aren't very expensive and with gem sale these wouldn't cost much andermant.

    (2600*0.75)*61=118,950 Andermant
    (6400*0.75)*14=67,200 Andermant
    186,150 Total. (nvm, it does cost much lol)

    114,000 for $125. Buy 2 of them for $250 and you have enough to buy the gems and have 41,850 left over, which is enough to add the gem slots you'd need to use all of the gems :)

    IMO, this is pretty expensive too... but there are those countries that pay way less for the same amount of andermant.

    Sorry for these recent long posts, guys. I was bored as hell. I watched all of the good movies I could think of, my shows have taken the renowned winter break :\ won't be back till mid-january and well my free time is unoccupied. I have post-event depression :p That's when I get bored of the game after doing an event. I hope I'm not the only one that believes events should be fun, easy, and rewarding. We have the whole year to grind and farm, events should be those times when we can catch a break, not more farming and grinding... just common sense and decency.
     
  20. Darcous

    Darcous Forum Apprentice

    Hello and happy new year to everyone.I will talk about everything you mentioned extinckDK.

    First of all lets talk about your thread's title.It is Why do Ranger have the best of everything?Well are you sure extinckDK.? We haven't got the best of everything..The best hp and armor got DK,also the highest damage got speallweaver.We can't reach 14,000 hp and 4000 armor like DKs or 1500 max damage as easy as spellweaver do with some DMG stones..We got normal things..A better title would be "Why do rangers have everything?"Just becouse we got a NICE and not great armor - hp - damage.

    You also mention the following.

    1) Easiest execution of deadly high damage precision shots with no time delay and almost immediate.
    2) Fast Usain Bolt running speed (like pvp lvl45 talent which is best for 5v5)

    3) Comparable HP and armour to DK and is ranged attackers

    4) Awesome slowing enemies skills (the walking trees and the spiking roots)

    (unlike Mages lightning/Meteor, DK no need mentioned here as they are well-known the slowest)

    Let's see what you have wrote in betetr details..

    1) Immediate?We got an animation that we take the arrow from our quiver and then we put it to the bow and then we shoot our "immediate" attack as you say..Immediate skills have mages for example..They shoot their magic missile with out an ALERT animation as ranger do..

    2) I haven't got anything to say here..You are right

    3) Comparable HP and armor to DK?Have we got 14k hp and 4k armor? but if we reach it (we won't..be sure)We will not have any damage but warrior will have becouse he will not focus only to HP and Armor becouse he is bornt to be tank so he can find rings or amulets with dmg and crit but rangers must have all the items with many many hp and armor so they will have no dmg so a dk shouldnt afraid becouse ranger will be ranged attacker..

    4) We may have this skill but you should go check mage's stun skills?.He just use his frost nova and frost wind.The rangers say hey watch out ! My hawk is coming and then the enemies start running.The same with net..


    Darcous
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2014
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