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  1. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Did you complete forget the statistical analysis that was done for you by Armando that you thanked him for? It would have been more statistically unlikely for you to get each piece only once than for you to get each of them once. Yet you are complaining that the more statistically likely event occurred?

    The PRNG may have short spells of "good luck" and "bad luck" but overall, the key here is "luck." I play a couple of games and I always feel like I have bad luck until I get lucky once, celebrate, and then totally forget about the good luck once the bad luck resumes.

    The only thing that I'll say about this topic is that it shows how much players hate true randomness. We prefer the progress bar type events because the drops of the progress are relatively consistent and not subject to too much randomness. Even the Dunes of Disappointment were better in this regard. If the weapon parts could have been obtained through a shop like the last event and the currency came from running the dungeons "x" many times, then no one could complain about their lack of luck. They would just be able to complain about the amount of time that needed to be dedicated to the search for those currencies, and to be honest, people complain about the time that it took to fail to find the random drops anyway, but at least the time is a known figure, not a variable.
     
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  2. EmilyRose

    EmilyRose Forum Duke

    a medal? really ?
    I smile
    you didn't understand me and i don't want to change your opinion.

    it's true, but the real problem is the frustration of players for random drop and not any statistical analysis can solve it.

    Sorry if I'm wrong for you.
     
  3. Nobs

    Nobs Forum Apprentice

    Hi everyone I must say these new events are not good for us working players I must agreed doing the samething over and over and geting almost notting but time is not free and making us waste so much time is what is killing this game every time you make and event reward harder to get the less fun it going to be an idea you all can do the make a low quailty to high quaity item drop rate where every can get the items from 1 try but keep playing to get the same items at a much higher quailty that way it would not feel like i wasting my time playing this game
     
  4. If my memory serves me correct, we've got an official feedback thread for the Dragan event somewhere.....
     
  5. Armando

    Armando Forum Connoisseur

    You do realize they are already using this concept with the tier 1 to tier 3 uniques? Obtaining tier 1 is fairly easy (but the items are usually crap ). Some people hate the concept, because it litters their inventory, and they feel they will never obtain tier 3, which is the only really desirable target. I have friends who have given up collecting those tiered items at all.
    Splitting up even further and making the lowest ranks even less attractive would increase those problems.
    Personally, I prefer the bone coin concept (or the new moon flowers) : collect an amount of currency and directly buy the item you want.

    P.S. Please try using some punctuation marks, your text is very hard to read...
     
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  6. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    My above last message in this thread is dated February 9.
    Now, after 9 months, i would like to remind you that nothing is changed, rather truly speaking the conditions are even worsening.
    You don't understand that it's a matter of general gameplay, not a "personal complain". Take care to clearly understand that i do not have any difficulty to group in my guild.

    But, since i can perceive a general long-term design approach to convert all the toons to self-sufficient PGs, i can't see the reason why rangers (*) are always condemned to a grey-useless-zone.

    I re-invite you to ask yourself if you ever did what i suggested. Take as example last event, and show me some screenshots where someone is looking for ranger to group and defeat Heredur, Dragan or Spider or whichever task you had to do.


    (*) Which kind of rangers and how they are equipped doesn't matter. I'm not speaking of real power of a PG, i'm talking about HOW OTHERS FEELS THE PRESENCE OF RANGERS IN GROUP.

    The correct reply by (all of) you, if you are frank, straightforward and sincere, should be:
    Ranger? Doh, there was a ranger in group? lol, i realized it just now.


    Ending with same conclusion.
    So i repeat:
    Which actions do you intend to pursue in order to solve this unwanted situation?
     
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  7. -SirMadMan-

    -SirMadMan- Someday Author

    Send you a link to the "Questions about getting started in the game" section so you can learn to play the RA class better?
     
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  8. Gevilson

    Gevilson Active Author

    He clearly said that it's not a matter of how you play your class. How do you prove that you can play your class properly when most people will reject your group requests in the blink of an eyes after reading "Ranger"? Not like you can link them a gif in the local chat of yourself soloing any parallel in fatal difficulty, because many rangers can do that, and guess what, we still get rejected because they don't care about that, just the class we come from.
     
  9. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Yeah, besides guild and friends, you would never get into a group as a ranger, especially for a boss fight. But we mages feel your pain now, tbh :) mages are not welcome anymore too when it comes to bosses.

    The event clearly showed their monetization on the dwarfs. I have pictured '4 dwarfs looking for tank msg' in a public chat, and there were hundreds of them like that, - need 2 dwarfs, need 1 tank, need 4th dwarf.

    The full q run might be a little bit better in terms of getting a team as a mage, but you have our support :)

    Also, only dumb players do not take benefits of having a ranger. I would not do a run without it. And I would usually couple with a ranger, not tank or the little one for a fast run of q3m1.

    Unfortunately, 9 months is nothing for this dev team. There are issues lasting for years, but they dont really care. The finance folks are managing backlog, and they want you rangers to start playing dwarfs and invest into character again.

    It is also sad that will get worse with the upcoming class, and I wouldnt expect changes prior to that to the balance. When they turn everyone they can into a dwarf, they will make the new class OP and start monetizing the current user base. It is how this poop works.
     
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  10. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    I ignore group request from everybody I don't know, and if I do know them, it doesn't matter if they are a SW, RA, SM, or DK. If someone wants to "prove" themselves, they join one of the guilds I assist.
     
  11. Excalibur1974

    Excalibur1974 Junior Expert

    You reply is enough to let understand people what i mean.
    You didn't read a single word of what i wrote, but you were ready to copy-paste this funny ready-to-use-statement starting from the assumption that i can't do nothing alone with my ranger. In one second you marked me as a perfect noob :), no matter to see me in action.

    Only because you demonstrated to not have a wise attitude, i'm forced to explain to you and to _Baragain_ (he liked your post, so he didn't even understood :) a single word, and this surprised me more than you, cause he have a "LITTLE more" experience on this board) that i can play also solo almost everything with no particular critical weakness.
    But, sincerely, i would like to not be forced to write useless and self-assessment concept like the one above, it's argument only for people which do not want to understand.

    I repeat, who cares if one reject an external request.
    I'm talking about people who LOOKS for GROUPING to do anything.

    Maybe there are other people on the Earth, different from you (Thanks to God), that sometimes would like to play with different, unknown people.
    That's the beauty of real world ... also in a real work scenario.
    What a boring world with same actions, same people, same problems :)
    Let me have some kind of different problem, let me have the possibility to experiment!
     
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  12. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Before I start ... this is my ranger https://board-en.drakensang.com/threads/sigrismarr-f2p-way.72340/
    You can see my stats in ranger/showcase thread.

    During the second Dragan's event challenge me and my friend (dwarf - his main character is ranger) were playing the challenge alone since our friends have already finished it. His dwarf doesn't stand a chance playing without tank in group ... so we decided to play the challenge with random people. I never play with random people ... if no one from my friend list is available I am playing solo ... but I was about to help my friend with the challenge. So he started looking for groups and found one ... he took the star and sent me an invitation. Meanwhile he returned the star ... as soon as I accepted the invitation ... i was kicked out of the group :D :D :D
    Fortunately it happened very fast so I didn't had time to see his name ... should i have seen his name ... that kid is doomed to failure at Grimmag. I personally guarantee that. :)
    So we created our own group and invited one tank ... and completed the challenge in no time.

    It is not about rangers ... it is about people's stupidity and their miscon(per)ception.
    But ... what sebastian_fl is talking about is also true:
    That was clearly shown in Dunes of Retardation event and those two challenged when critical hit was nerfed down.
    And guess who doesn't need crit hit?
     
  13. Gevilson

    Gevilson Active Author

    That may work for you, but it's a MMO afterall, not a game you play with your neighbours and their friends who come over. If we wanted to play an offline game we would. If we play online most likely we want to have access to a variety of different people/classes in our adventures.
     
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  14. redspiderPL

    redspiderPL Forum Veteran

    My question to Drakensang Online team:
    Why poison/lighting/fire explosion with dragan's weapon is so useless (especially for distance classes)? Why the effect works in the place where I stand? It should works under the mobs which I hit. It should works faster (too long charging time) and remains longer (now disappears faster than appears, so is useless). Are you going to improve this effect? Now is very bad.
     
  15. BattleBeast

    BattleBeast Forum Apprentice

    And here:
    my same question, which has been ignored of course.
    I'm still waiting for the answer, at least, not the solution.

    What did you expect? You are a ranger too after all, no matter who and how powerful you are, you will be always kicked out.

    I repeat it: do something, patience has a limit.
     
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  16. daywaker2

    daywaker2 Forum Demigod

    HARUKI I AM SAD THAT YOU LEAVE DRAKENSANG ONLINE. I wish you all the best for your future!!! you did a great Job in the Forum.
     
  17. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    I will say this - the best argument, in my mind, as to why rebinding single keys to a single input (such as those 10 button mice or even those specialty 12 or 16 side button mmo style mice) should be permitted disability access. It would enable people with limited or no mobility in one arm/hand to play the game with their functional arm/hand without any or any significant impact on gameplay that a bot or multikey macro would bring.
     
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  18. rjrichards

    rjrichards Forum Pro

    All the best to CM Haruki with your next adventure! Your smile and honesty will be greatly missed...take care of yourself.
     
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  19. mjmuju

    mjmuju Junior Expert

    Dear CM Haruki,

    Soooo I decided to stay awake to watch the live streaming twitch (midnight here) for the first time, and I've got two big surprises:

    1. Thanks for the raffle :D in fact I just posted something about I didn't get white wolf in the last defend event here in this very thread, and now voila I got one. Thank you, it's made my day (well, end of the day technically, but still). I really like that white wolf because the black one isn't that rare anymore :p

    2. I'm a new player in this game (7 months more or less), and still learning and gets to know the people in this forum including you, Haruki. And then when I watched that streaming, my very first twitch, then gave us a farewell? Nooooo. I just starting to know you but you're leaving already :( whyyy

    Anyway thanks for your hard work after all this time, and good luck in the future. God bless ya!
    And if I may ask, why did you decided to leave?
     
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  20. Opalsion

    Opalsion Junior Expert

    By that time I was so numb I could only just laugh :D But really this started to become tragic reaction :p

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