Dailybuild_1071 & 1076

Broken record. Even numbers and proof cannot get through that concrete wall.

Oh so mages arent item dependant? Arent all classes item dependant?
So you're saying that I can use anything I want and all build will have the same dps?

Q4 SW is worse than Q7 SW
Q7 SW is worse than Bloodmage SW
Q8 SW is (currently) worse than Witch Seeker SW
Witch Seeker SW is worse than Grimmag Robe SW

Obviously SWs are item dependat, they arent Q7 dependant but that doesnt mean we dont need sets or items to be better than these without these items.

It's not my problem that 3 classes got Q7 broken beyond reasoning making it BiS and SWs got ... other items.

You want everybody to be Q7 slaves - that is your issue. This is why you hate mages so much cause you have to use Q7 to be relevant meanwhile all Q4, Q7 or Bloodmage (even permium weapon) can have similar (more or less) dps due to them being all balanced.

TInstead of "fixing" Q7 for other classes (set that breaks the game) and then buffing their class if necessary you simply want to bring others down just cause you made yourself a Q7 slave.

This is my SW (when in group Im switching to speed pet for last FS speed breakpoint).
Tell me more about "not being worthy to talk with you".
Im not bothering with 4x platinum lines for me it's pointless.

Dwarves are broken and whoever who says otherwise is delusional.
Having:
- 2 turrets shoting out 26 salvos of 3 projectiles each dealing 110% which can be Q7 buffed and each projectile reduce cooldown by 1s making your cooldowns quite literally non existent
[(2*26*110%*3)/10 = 1716% unmitigated / 858% mitigated dps]
[(2*26*110%*3)/10 * 1.6 = 2746% unmitigated / 1373% mitigated dps if turret placed on Q7]
[156 sec of cooldown reduction per 10s / 16,6s cooldown reduction per second]
- invulnerable tesla on top of you for half of the singu cooldown reduction
[5% cooldown reduction per second]
- permanent rocket
[2s cooldown due to mechanical turret]
[permanent armor break + permanent Q7 buff]
- heavy shot spam on Q7
[306%*1.6 = 490% damage per each heavy shot]
- 80/160% damage BASIC ability

two mechanical turrets placed on Q7 ALONE OUTDPS MAGE by 166% (aka dealing 2,66 times the SW dps), add heavy shot spam, 200% rocket every 3 seconds and you probably get to 4 or 5 times the SW dps.

Big yikes if you think SW is superior to SM.

 

Spoiler: offtop (sorry)

just think again about last words

 

The point is you have q7 and q8 that buffs your damage even more, you don't need it to be as "op" as for ranger, for example, because the spam a ranger can do thanks to that set you have it better with your default status as a mage, 2 projectiles-1 FS-2 projectiles-1 FS... this is even better than needing a net and marked enemy to deal decent damage during 2sec, spamming comes by default with your char, that's why ranger needed such an "op" thing. To counteract some other classes which don't need it to deal damage but even a mage can choose to equip q7 and q8 and increase by a lot their damage on boss fights, for example. That's the thing. You don't need sets but you mages do use sets anyways and take the correspodant profit, 9sec damage increased with q7, mixed with the default OP bugs, etc means an eternal spiral of armor break, damage increased, almost no cooldown on any ability, low mana costs and fast regeneration, don't forget the personal tank... if that's not OP...

 

Good job math boy i killed the boss 30 seconds faster than you. Oh wait you already killed it.... cuz you entered in boss while i was in the half of the map.(looks like my insane dmg is pointless now) Yeahh looks like my class is made to deal the most dps on bosses while your was flying like a rocket trough the map.

Exactly you can play with karabossa + belt + this + that
i can't i have one option.
The garbage dude with one of the top mages in the server.
Obviously you dont do q's you sit in the arena probably

 

@elitecrew1031 i farm scaling dungeons. Pvp is garbage.
You are item locked ? i use belt of zel which u can also use thus having the karabossa damage ...... why are writing stupid things

http://prntscr.com/o2ns6q so you all judge mages by this dude ? Who uses ice sphere on the Ice boss ? WHo uses green ess , and also has ranger to give him atack speed so+ he has more atack speed runes since he uses the mage group bonus for crit adn u all judje bu this player who doesnt know what he does and just pays left and right ?

[image removed] and this is the prof , this is what he wrote , when in reality all the 2hs are equal in effective dmg

 

Uh...

War: 500% dps LS and TS. No good armor break, no party. I'm sorry, you're not invited!

Half damage respect Ra and Mage (1/8 SM) and only 30% more life. Balanced game ^^

Thanks, BP.

 

Ofc q7 is better you know why ? Cuz you have 9 sec q7 buff while playing with bloodstaff seems kinda op right ?
No we are judging his time for killing boss x with the time dwarf killing boss x . Pretty simple right? And a simple couner if he use his skills properly (heredur for example) he can kill boss x even faster uh oh oh looks like there is a hole in your theory .
This guy is not playing serious imagine if he plays ? DRAKENSANG ADC's


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Heror buddy just admit it your class is not weak at all and leave my class alone because it kinda sad that you have such a good mage and still you dont understand how game mechanics works

 

Never said we are weak. Max tryes to prove we are OP , but we are strong , not op. I eve wrote it in my first posts.
I think we all went offtopic somewhere in the mess

 

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Hi there, Blackknight02 , please refrain from writing consecutive posts. Thank you.

 

Neither op nor strong.

And DKs are prolly somewhere around SWs dps (prolly lower? no clue).
Both DKs and SWs deserve QoL improvements and buffs. Also sets bonuses and skills balance is terrible. Rework is long overdue.

And this changes with r220 since clearing map will be a fraction of what it is now due to much longer bossfights.

 

looks like someone is a little bit jaleous of this godofmages guy, isn't it? *wink wink*
*edit* by the way the screenshots you took from his video saying Q7 is better than bloodmoon... you probably didn't realise he was trolling didn't you? It happens to every one to get fooled héhéhé, even i questionned him weither this was serious or not.

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to be honest the moral of this story should be: play whatever class you want, however you want, whenever you want, no need to hurry, no need to become the best, as long as it is rewarding and enjoyable. Cheers to my fellow rangers, dwarves knights and mages, even tho i am not a big fan of ice stuff in pvp

 

Actually the best classes in pve is as follows especially in R220 and later
Dwarf > Mage > Ranger > PVE mobs on infernal 1 > Q7 DK > Mobs on painful > all other 2h DKS
Fyi many many many dks agree if we cannot play 2h in DSO we will not play DSO

 

I'm sure if I ask if you are strong months ago you mages say in majority yes.
So how is it? You were strong months ago and after systematic improvements each release during months you are still just... strong? No.
I thought you were good at maths.
Strong + unnecessary improvements^3 ≠ strong
Strong + unnecessary improvements^3 = overpowered
If you had to tell me if the DK class is strong, what would you say? DK is strong, no matter the rank you have in your head classifying classes in some order you want, DKs are strong, so mages were strong, now they are more than that.
Once you start having a favorable treatment and keeping bugs allowed in your class while being buffed unnecessarily once and again, this surpass the strong to become overpowering.

According to SuperMageCalculator this is not true hahahahaha. Mages are ever in last place so they "trully need improves every release until they get to ascend to heaven" hahaha.

 

another problem with this new "patch"

How the heck will we be supposed to obtain the belt from the witch seeker set if the merchants from the bosses are removed?That thing doesn't drop anywhere and while it appears you can obtain it from amphoras, the probability to get it from them is so low it's not even funny

The drop of uniques seems to be as bad as now
I guess good luck for those who need this belt

They need to increase its drop from the golem( which is supposed to drop it, but doesn't) and the amphoras
Or better, make it drop from the trees

 

Unlike any of you at least I calculated and proved something. You (and others) instead proved ... that you can cry and that's all.

Oh yeah, right "you dont have to prove anything" like you said before. And the funniest thing is - you're demonizing me for actually doing math and siding with somebody who just managed to say "yeah Mages > Rangers" without proving anything.

That's the level of discussion here.

I dare you to disprove my thesis. Show me how Mage is outdpsing Ranger.

 

The thing is the discussion was never about who has more dps You turned the discussion into it to try get what you want.
You don't need to have the most dps to be overpowered, but maybe that's too much for your brain to understand.
According to your math, devs can increase the damage of DK in hundreds %, they are far away of the "best" dps, so... for sure you would be the first complaining if this happens
Try to process this: op is not only about dps, op is not only about dps...
Your crap manipulated math is bs.

 

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You just won a lengthy trip away from the forum due to racism.

Cheers

 

If you're referring to mobility, survivability and damage (as 3 major pillars) then sure but on PvE only mobility and damage matters (survivability only in case of DKs due to them being melee) and in PvE mobility case all classes are pretty much fine as they are.

I dont care about PvP and I wont care about it untill they actually start doing anything about it. For now PvP is broken and any "but this class is OP on PvP" is irrelevant. This class may be broken only due to fact of gearless PvP alone.

Actually I wouldnt. DKs deserve PvE buffs.

My math is neither crap nor manipulated.

Spellweavers are one of the weakest PvE classes atm (fighting for last place with DKs) and you know that damn well.

 

Precisely due to the gearless PvP you can see that mages as a class are overpowered. It's simple to understand. No matter PvP or PvE, mages are overpowered and each release they become more and more overpowered, it's ridiculous.

 

I have been playing this game for about maybe 3 months and from what I have read on forums on various country's this update will go on live server for sure

I have a dwarf with 25k dmg but very low crits so can't really speak about witch class is more op but I have been farming with some very powerful players Dk, mages and rangers they all look the same to me cleaning ifernal 4 very fast

I will wait for the equipment 1.0 to see what is that about maybe that will balance this very hard bosses that will come with this update

Thank you for reading I may have done some spelling mistakes I learn this language on TV