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  1. misterbean

    misterbean Padavan

    Some don't understand SIMPLE english words. "No spiko inglisi" (xaxaxa) ;)
     
  2. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    There had to be some sort of thought behind it. Maybe a nice dev diary to explain what the logic was or how they thought it would help. They really seem to be focusing on newer players at the moment, but this can confuse the heck out of them when they notice how much HP or resist adds to their CV versus crit or speed. Without some basic explanation of what makes a CV value great/good/okay/bad/horrible there doesn't seem to be any use other than confusing players.

    Once you've spent some time in the game, you'll have some direction on what you want your build to be, so maybe there should be an option to turn this off.

    Edit:

    Maybe they could add a build choice to this CV value.

    Option 1. I want to build a massive damage dealer = CV
    Option 2. I want to build a well rounded character = CV
    Option 3. I want to build a complete defensive character = CV

    At least that would give some direction on what we should be looking for.
     
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  3. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    I am afraid that this doesn't prove what you are expecting to prove.

    The real reason how he was able to do so much damage is basically that he was killing the 3 newbies in your team who has less defense over and over and by doing so was able to score more damage points.

    And since there was only one newbie in their team, your team mates were not able to secure as much damage as they did.
    There is a limit of how many times you can kill that one poor newbie ;)

    Basically the match was 2 versus 2 and you team managed to win it.
    Therefore, I don't think that this match proves DKs are overpowered.

    My point is not to say that one class is better or classes are well balanced. Just saying that your match score does not prove anything.
     
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  4. Mindship

    Mindship Forum Inhabitant

    CV options is a great idea.

    CV seems to be DSO's version of an overall 'battle rating' number. If it is, it can indeed be distracting and misleading w/o a breakdown. In other games, depending on what was giving you points, this number could be a fluffy inflation of a toon's actual power.
     
  5. Rhysingstar

    Rhysingstar Forum Ambassador

    That's the problem in a nutshell. According to the patch notes;

    "The Combat Value is meant to help you identify whenever your character is becoming stronger or weaker when you change one of the listed attributes.

    For example: Your character finds a new weapon with better values than your current weapon. However, when equipped, your Combat Value decreases, which indicates that your character is becoming weaker."


    Stronger or weaker needs to explained better. It has to be based on some standard that someone came up with.

    As it stands now, if I give up HP for speed or crit, my CV value say's that I am weaker. Considering it has no idea what build I'm going after, this is assuming quite a bit.

    Now if these CV values are based off of what DSO feels is the "best" build, then they should explain what that build is and why they consider it best. Who knows, maybe their argument for a particular build might be good, but without explaining how these calculations are made, or allow us to tweak it for our particular builds, it serves no purpose other than confusing people.

    Now if I could put in my wish list X dmg, X crit, X speed, etc and it could tell me how to make that build by choosing the right items or ignoring certain items, I would be a happy camper.
     
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  6. Guitarman

    Guitarman Forum Master

    Dear CM

    Is there a plan to compensate old players for the time, effort and resources to craft the 1k gold cloak ?

    New players are getting it easy. 10k anders would be a good start !!
     
  7. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    Brave on words, probably a "big yellow" in life. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Master0fpuppets

    Master0fpuppets Forum Baron

    Stone-age forum then.
     
  9. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    I disagree with this and think making it easier is a good idea. If anything, I hope they come out with a new cloak quest, with another line of stats or better stats.

    Edit: Ok, maybe that was too easy. Was 8 deadly shards (the ones that drop from the things in OoB after you kill a knight) short on my DK, and that was converted to 8 stones of revival from golems on misty ridge (I had all the other pieces). Literally 8 straight golem kills, 8 straight stone drops, quest done in 2 minutes.
     
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  10. Yogo

    Yogo Forum Great Master

    Total agreement on graphics and story line too. Now while q1 gives nice drops q2 and q3 give very poor drop - I hope that will change with r159 and higher tiers/ difficulty levels. Having Hall of the Dead with no reset possible IS bogus and I hope that at least Gorga nad Sigri will be left alone:) One can still reset them.Hopefully it will stay that way. What has been done to Halls of the Dead is bad- I personally don't like it tho' I love this game and will continue to play. Now why is it bad? It is bad because firstly:

    -we WILL farm new PWs anyway if the drop on higher levels is decent so sorry to say but IMO there was no need to change HoD and secondly :

    -HoD was the place where one was training new players - it was an exellent training ground; and finally:

    -IMHO we should have a CHOICE where we farm.

    NB: It would be nice to see all this kind of changes in the patchnotes so that we know what to expect and have a chance to voice our views before the patch. Give us a chance :) These are my thoughts and I hope I haven't offended anyone out there:)
     
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  11. tassadar1977

    tassadar1977 Forum Expert

    CM Haruki,

    Can I ask if the cloak of power quest is going to be re-opened to allow you to do it again? I find it bizarre that greg would say that the reason andermant to open slots on cloaks is so high because they were meant to be very special "god" items. yet a quest that took me months of farming and pain to get a lvl40 item that I will no doubt never have the glyph to upgrade, if I had a new char I could get a lvl50 version in no time at all.

    thanks for your response.
     
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  12. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    My guess is CV is Offence Value multiplied by Defence Value. Anything else would make no sense. The OV should be some representation of DPI including speed and crit, and the DV of everything else. The only part I personally lack to create my own formula is the 'best' proportion of armor and resist. I use 6:4 for my calculations
     
  13. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    The problem is if they allow you to move back and forth in these new PWs, people will abuse it. Take for example Q2. If you could go back from Loxly to Grotto, then people would just farm the boss in Grotto because she has a 100% chance of purple. You could make tens of thousands of glyphs in as little as 15 min.
    The item is still LVL 40 when you get it, even if you finish it at LVL 50. It is not a scaling item... I'm not saying that I wouldn't want a scaling cape other than the Dragan one, but I'm more bothered that they made the cape so stupid easy to get as opposed to the 6+ month grind that many of us went through.
     
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  14. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    So I see they added another Title to the achievement system for 7000 points. Yes, after being a demigod and other heavenly beings with tasks as we progress along the way, we become a Titan at 6000. And then after much hard work and completing every possible achievement to get 7000 points you reach the prestiges Title of (drum roll please) "Seasoned Warrior":( Yes the prgress through the titles takes you from a god, backwards to servant of the gods, way upwards to creator of the gods, and finally end up as a sweaty front line troop that needs a bath, waiting for orders on where to go fight next.:oops:

    Seriously? Was there any thought at all put into this? One of your latest and most complex systems you added to the game for all the right reasons, and then you self-undermine by putting no thought or effort into the thing you want us to work for. OH ya, I got Demigod today from the new PW achievments which is a cool title im proud to display. Please review the subsequent titles and fix this lack of imagination. If you would like some assistance others seemed to agree with, the previous post in this thread on the same subject has titles people would be proud to display as they progress through the system. Thanks for your consideration.
     
  15. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Nice avatar you got there :D
     
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  16. Darwarren

    Darwarren Count Count

    Keep talking. Everyone knows where manure comes from. We can use a good laugh!
     
  17. fourtwenty68

    fourtwenty68 Board Analyst

    they're changing it to "BigPapa",i think they like you.;) i'd sport this around.
     
  18. tassadar1977

    tassadar1977 Forum Expert

    ah k, thanks, I never knew it was still 40. in that sense yeah don't need to redo the quest, but I agree my months of grinding and helping others search seem unfair when you can now finish in no time at all
     
  19. sebastian_fl

    sebastian_fl Count Count

    Valid point on abusing, however, HoD was here for years, and it was the only glyph map. There is no map right now in the game that would be close to pre158 m2. So newer players do not really have chance to catch up the older ones. M2 was 2M glyphs a day easily, and more. Just another way to look at it.

    2k coins are now just 400 entrances. We can't reset a boss anymore... Is here any reasoning? I can't find any. With the terrible drop rate and potentially broken randomizer, they force us to run through the garbage maps again and again? Just to waste 2 minutes of the play time per run? I cannot understand that. We were doing khalys marathons all the time, now what? Hey Dev tell me what was the goal of doing that?

    I will tell you. Not only it is against the player=consumer and entertainment, it is against the payer. Because now, the player wouldnt need that much of inventory to farm.

    And with all the boredom it adds, I'm not sure I wanna be a part of the game anymore. With the pvp dead since r155, pve died with r158.

    Ah yeah, on the frag exchange, I couldnt express how unprofessional that was. As a dev, I know this is a piece of cake, 10 minutes of noob sql92 scripting on top of your database (poorly designed against all the dB paradigms, btw) to do this, and you messed up. Guess you need to revisit your hiring process. What they do makes no sense, and the explanations are garbage too. Unless you think we are a bunch of dumb kids here.
     
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  20. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    I had a dream about this idea. Ya, im nuts like that. Here's my suggestion, say yes to the exchange if:
    1. The recieving toon is equal or higher in level, and of a different class.
    2. It is only for gems and GOP. The things that we all work hard to get over years that would be the most devesting to lose if we switched mains and classes.
    3. And this is the biggie-it is an inheritance as the originating toon must be DELETED.

    Oh ya baby, no gems bouncin around, just a one way trip to a son or daughter from a parent that passes away. There is of course a tax on the process as all good governments must get their share.
     
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